Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Fat Daddy Cash
Just my two cents on how we ran it last year in AAA1 (and it turned out great).

1. Limiting the number of ballots is silly. Not everyone is going to take the time to vote anyway, so limiting yourself from the start actually hurts the integrity of the process by limiting your pool. We did it the way the NFL, NBA and MLB does it, players, owners and fans all get to vote. One ballot each (or, one ballot per agent).

2. There should not be a limitation on voting for your own players. Again, it will only limit the already narrow pool of voters. If people are going to take the time to fill out a ballot, then they probably won't waste their time just padding it with their own guys. People on here seem to take this stuff seriously, so opening up the voting will get more (and better) results.

One way to counter the potential of vote stuffing would be to have a unified ballot. That is, have each owner submit a list of players from their team they think are pro-bowl caliber and then use those combined lists to create a ballot people just simply check off. (But this is a lot of time and effort -- more than just trusting people to make real selections).

Just my two cents.

I hear you, but I have a little problem with your points 1. and 2. in combination, one that you already touch on. This would open the process to abuse, as a team could decide to push their own players for the AllStar team, and they all send in ballots with just their players. Not saying it would happen, but the chance that it could would be enough to personally steer me away from opening it up that far.

As for the nominations, this has been brought up in previous seasons, and the majority was not in favor of it if I recall correctly. That does not mean that we can't put it back onto the table, I am just a bit wary when looking at the participation in previous seasons. More likely than not we would end up with just players from maybe half the teams in the league on the ballot, which can't quite be the goal. And then there is the issue again who can submit those nominations. Only the owner? The GMs? Everyone who feels like it? Which would be exactly the same dilemma as the one we face with the final ballot anyway.

Of course this is just my opinion, and as I am not the dictator around here it doesn't have to mean anything, so keep the suggestions and comments coming

What about having a few folks come up with a list of ~5 candidates per position and then just have everyone vote on those nominees? Sure it is somewhat subjective, but a pared-down list of worthy candidates might increase voter participation.

Zickzack: FDC is right. Open the system up, just let every user vote one. Abuse or not, it will turn out ok. If those voting really get their jollies from ballot stuffing, then they can have it.

It really did work out ok last year in AAA. Even though some attempted to stuff the ballot, the majority gave an honest vote, and the all-star team turned out ok.

yes, it worked very well last year in AAA.

But whatever the system is, make a final official post and my votes will be in

WE All-star team IMO

http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=618

Originally posted by Joebarber
WE All-star team IMO

http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=618

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- The ballot counter withholds the rights to ignore any ballots that are obviously not meant to be taken serious (I envision a certain person to submit one with their own single player listed in every single position, isn't that right

Originally posted by Zickzack
Originally posted by Joebarber

WE All-star team IMO

http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=618

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- The ballot counter withholds the rights to ignore any ballots that are obviously not meant to be taken serious (I envision a certain person to submit one with their own single player listed in every single position, isn't that right

We're calling this the Pimp's Clause now?

Originally posted by helluin
Originally posted by Zickzack

Originally posted by Joebarber


WE All-star team IMO

http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=618

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- The ballot counter withholds the rights to ignore any ballots that are obviously not meant to be taken serious (I envision a certain person to submit one with their own single player listed in every single position, isn't that right

We're calling this the Pimp's Clause now?

The T-Noles Clause IMO. Pimps clause is the assumption that the other team is going to forfeit to avoid the humiliation.

btw...

QB - Pohl
RB - Coop/Suggs
WR - Parker/Touchdown/Legend/Pithrus
TE- I HOP/ Lawrence
OL - Pimps OL all together
DE - Bundy/Lawrence
DT - Pimps DT's
LB - Pimps LB
CB - Pimps CB
S - Pimps S
K/P - Pimps K/P

I got tired of listing names, but thats my ballot.

I really like the nominees idea that FDC also mentioned, and I think I posted about it somewhere on the All-Star thread last season. Sure, it's great that anyone can be nominated, but it's much easier to focus on a few guys' stats than the whole league. It might almost be a good idea to just look at the league page and leaders in various stat categories, weigh in + and - stats at some positions, and nominate these guys who are producing the most. Let's face it, we're not getting ESPN TV coverage of our guys so it's hard to tell who's REALLY playing the best, and there's TONS of players that don't cross conferences that we'll never really see firsthand. Therefore, Alpha teams are more likely to nominate Alpha guys, Zeta will nominate Zeta, etc. You don't necessarily get a balance, not because people are partial to one conference or the other, but because they simply don't have the time to check out a whole separate conference they will rarely end up playing against.

Streamline the vote with nominees you can check off. You automatically increase participation, reduce conference favoritism, AND you are less likely of having tiebreakers. If some players get left out, they can file a complaint, and it can be dealt with based on that players' specific situation.

Also, it could be fun to nominate an entire defense or offense, as in fantasy football, in addition to individual players. I think that would be something cool to add to the vote. I think you did a great job last season, but we're always looking for more

Originally posted by shmingus
Therefore, Alpha teams are more likely to nominate Alpha guys, Zeta will nominate Zeta, etc.
That is the general idea anyway, just as it was the last two seasons

You only vote for players in your own conference. If you want to submit a ballot for the other conference too I guess that is fine, as some of us have players in both anyway, but they should be separate. Each conference gets their own AllStar team.

Just trying to summarize where we currently stand:

- everyone can send in a ballot
- one ballot only includes players from one conference, but you can send in votes for both conferences if you like
- ballot counter reserves the right to dismiss ballots if there are obvious signs of vote stuffing
- DT/NT; LDE/RDE; LOT/ROT; LG/RG; OLB/MLB are all considered to be one position each
- Ranking is based on number of points, number of first place votes is used as a tie breaker
- Voting starts with the end of the regular season and ends the day of the Conference Championship games

Points still under contention:
- Same or different number of nominations per position
Based on last seasons experience I'd still say this is probably not worth the effort, and I would like to restrict the list to three per position. Keep in mind that your suggestions hopefully will drive up the number of ballots send in, and spare a thought for the poor sod that has to put everything into a spreadsheet. Besides, yes, you might have to make a tough decision, but this is an AllStar ballot, so only the absolute top players should get on your ballot anyway.

- Limited number of players from team you are on
I still say you should at least have to nominate two players from other teams at the same position for this to be allowed. As a compromise if you do not nominate players from other teams at that position your vote will only be counted with the lowest value for that position, e.g. 1 point


As for the nomination lists to put together the final ballot, if anyone wants to do that is fine, but I won't get involved in that case. It is hard enough to get everyone to submit a full ballot in time, so having to chase teams and people to do it twice, first to put the ballot together and then to vote on it, is not something that I am willing to do, my estimate would be that we'd still be chasing votes midseason if we did it this way, or leave some very deserving players out as their owner can't be bothered.

Originally posted by Zickzack

That is the general idea anyway, just as it was the last two seasons



Dagnabbit, my brain checked out. Yes that is how all-star teams usually work. I'm sorry, Zickzack. On a more intelligent note (hopefully) I think the Position Challenge forums could help us pick nominees.

I have nothing to add.
So.

BUMP

Am I the only one that sees T-Nole, Joebarber, etc and just scrolls down or do any of you actually read what they post?