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Originally posted by Skorge
Originally posted by zollins5

Originally posted by tackleb0x


think thats where the problem is. There is no stat for bad pass. So if it could have been caught even one handed its considered a drop, even though the pass was too high, low, etc.

Those are the types of scenarios we are talking about. The ones the WR has to dive for, or come back, stuff like that. We obviously know that if it hits him in the numbers it's a drop. We are merely speaking of a QB throwing a ball behind a WR, or to high...etc. Those types of passes a good WR will still make an attempt to catch. We know a drop is a drop, we are just trying to figure out the mechanics of it I guess. But if a QB throws it 5 yards behind the WR and he dives for it, bobbles it, and then loses it. That would be the QB's fault. I know the saying that if it hits your hands it should have been caught, but in some cases that's impossible.

In your example that will not count as a drop. It would be an incomplete pass, but not a drop.

It would be a drop if he never had the control. If he were to have control, it would be a fumble. In my example he never had control...therefore it should be a drop, caused by a poor throw from the QB

Originally posted by Skorge
Originally posted by zollins5

Originally posted by tackleb0x


think thats where the problem is. There is no stat for bad pass. So if it could have been caught even one handed its considered a drop, even though the pass was too high, low, etc.

Those are the types of scenarios we are talking about. The ones the WR has to dive for, or come back, stuff like that. We obviously know that if it hits him in the numbers it's a drop. We are merely speaking of a QB throwing a ball behind a WR, or to high...etc. Those types of passes a good WR will still make an attempt to catch. We know a drop is a drop, we are just trying to figure out the mechanics of it I guess. But if a QB throws it 5 yards behind the WR and he dives for it, bobbles it, and then loses it. That would be the QB's fault. I know the saying that if it hits your hands it should have been caught, but in some cases that's impossible.

In your example that will not count as a drop. It would be an incomplete pass, but not a drop.

You're wrong. The higher the catching a WR has the bigger the radius of passes he will attempt to catch. If a QB throws an inaccurate pass a WR with high catching may try to catch it and only just get his fingers to it, whereas WR with lower catching wouldn't attempt to catch it and it would just be an incomplete.

"DROPPED PASS: Any incomplete pass which was catchable with normal effort. To determine if a pass was dropped, STATS compares and reviews the judgment of multiple reporters."

Taken from NFL Rules: http://www.angelfire.com/ia3/coltsnflrules/terminolgy.htm

A dropped pass is always the WRs fault, because it was "catchable with normal effort." End of discussion.

Originally posted by Skorge
"DROPPED PASS: Any incomplete pass which was catchable with normal effort. To determine if a pass was dropped, STATS compares and reviews the judgment of multiple reporters."

Taken from NFL Rules: http://www.angelfire.com/ia3/coltsnflrules/terminolgy.htm

A dropped pass is always the WRs fault, because it was "catchable with normal effort." End of discussion.

Wow. OK.

First, you quote an angelfire website as official NFL.

Second, you left out a major part of that definition. Here it is in its entirety:

"DROPPED PASS Any incomplete pass which was catchable with normal effort. To determine if a pass was dropped, STATS compares and reviews the judgment of multiple reporters."

So, HUMAN judgment plays a major role in the stat.

Third, GLB isn't programmed by NFL rules. Please show me where it is stated that this is the way GLB handles the drop stat, then maybe you will have made your point.

Fourth, the dropped pass stat is generate by the AI, which means it's not likely perfect. I can promise you that the AI engine doesn't "review the judgment of multiple reporters"

Originally posted by Skorge
"DROPPED PASS: Any incomplete pass which was catchable with normal effort. To determine if a pass was dropped, STATS compares and reviews the judgment of multiple reporters."

Taken from NFL Rules: http://www.angelfire.com/ia3/coltsnflrules/terminolgy.htm

A dropped pass is always the WRs fault, because it was "catchable with normal effort." End of discussion.

I agree with TheGreatPuma.

Also, you probably should've looked further down at incomplete pass:

"INCOMPLETE PASS: A forward pass that is not caught or intercepted. A forward pass that touches the ground before being caught or that is caught while the player is out of bounds.
For example, if the quarterback throws the ball to one of his wide receivers, and the receiver either does not touch it, or tries to catch it unsuccessfully, it is ruled as an incomplete pass."

In those rules if a WR tries to catch it unsuccesfully regardless of effort it's just an incomplete. Whereas in GLB it's ruled as drop even if a WR uses maximum effort to catch a bad pass.

Originally posted by Viscount
In those rules if a WR tries to catch it unsuccesfully regardless of effort it's just an incomplete. Whereas in GLB it's ruled as drop even if a WR uses maximum effort to catch a bad pass.

Show me that - prove to me that, then I will believe you. If that is tru, then why are there only a few drops, haha.

Originally posted by Skorge
Originally posted by Viscount

In those rules if a WR tries to catch it unsuccesfully regardless of effort it's just an incomplete. Whereas in GLB it's ruled as drop even if a WR uses maximum effort to catch a bad pass.

Show me that - prove to me that, then I will believe you. If that is tru, then why are there only a few drops, haha.

I meant if the WR actually actually touches the ball and say only gets his fingers to it.
Well I can't prove it but neither can you. It's just my opinion.

Originally posted by Skorge
Originally posted by Viscount

In those rules if a WR tries to catch it unsuccesfully regardless of effort it's just an incomplete. Whereas in GLB it's ruled as drop even if a WR uses maximum effort to catch a bad pass.

Show me that - prove to me that, then I will believe you. If that is tru, then why are there only a few drops, haha.Example 1: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=106936&pbp_id=5577711 the pass is far too much to the left but the WR tries. Ruled a drop.

Example 2: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=106936&pbp_id=5579381 Pass thrown behind WR. Requires Rice-ian reflex hands and turning. Ruled a drop.

Example 3: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=106936&pbp_id=5580856 Ball was so high, the LB touched the ball. Ruled a drop.

Originally posted by SyedAshrafulla
Originally posted by Skorge

Originally posted by Viscount


In those rules if a WR tries to catch it unsuccesfully regardless of effort it's just an incomplete. Whereas in GLB it's ruled as drop even if a WR uses maximum effort to catch a bad pass.

Show me that - prove to me that, then I will believe you. If that is tru, then why are there only a few drops, haha.Example 1: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=106936&pbp_id=5577711 the pass is far too much to the left but the WR tries. Ruled a drop.

Example 2: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=106936&pbp_id=5579381 Pass thrown behind WR. Requires Rice-ian reflex hands and turning. Ruled a drop.

Example 3: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=106936&pbp_id=5580856 Ball was so high, the LB touched the ball. Ruled a drop.

I just watched all replays and I disagree with you. All of those balls were spot in and the WR/Te should have had those balls.

For example on the first play, and put it on pause and forward it, you will see that the ball was thrown straight to him and he reached out to grab the ball but bobbled it, causing the ball to continue forward. And on the last one the TE touched the ball, tipped it and sent it in the air...he bobbled it.

Originally posted by Skorge
Originally posted by SyedAshrafulla

Originally posted by Skorge


Originally posted by Viscount



In those rules if a WR tries to catch it unsuccesfully regardless of effort it's just an incomplete. Whereas in GLB it's ruled as drop even if a WR uses maximum effort to catch a bad pass.

Show me that - prove to me that, then I will believe you. If that is tru, then why are there only a few drops, haha.Example 1: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=106936&pbp_id=5577711 the pass is far too much to the left but the WR tries. Ruled a drop.

Example 2: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=106936&pbp_id=5579381 Pass thrown behind WR. Requires Rice-ian reflex hands and turning. Ruled a drop.

Example 3: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=106936&pbp_id=5580856 Ball was so high, the LB touched the ball. Ruled a drop.

I just watched all replays and I disagree with you. All of those balls were spot in and the WR/Te should have had those balls.

For example on the first play, and put it on pause and forward it, you will see that the ball was thrown straight to him and he reached out to grab the ball but bobbled it, causing the ball to continue forward. And on the last one the TE touched the ball, tipped it and sent it in the air...he bobbled it.

The dots are not exact, so watching thes is kind of pointless. You can tell when some throws are extremely bad, but for the most part it is impossible.