After reading all the advice given on these forums I have finally figured out the perfect build. 2nd softcap for every attribute and you are good to go.
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Originally posted by carumba10
After reading all the advice given on these forums I have finally figured out the perfect build. 2nd softcap for every attribute and you are good to go.
And 10 in all SA's, yup.
After reading all the advice given on these forums I have finally figured out the perfect build. 2nd softcap for every attribute and you are good to go.
And 10 in all SA's, yup.
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Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
Now clay has re-energized all those vision loves, lol.
I still don't beleive that vision is that important for WRs, though we do have 1 example where its made a player successful.
LOL.
I just think he likes to say ambiguous stuff so people talk about him.
I've seen 3 total successful builds with high vision. NONE were soft capped, but all three were over 40. All hauled in 60% of their passes or higher. As far as what I've seen from watching high vision WR opposed to a low vision WR (both productive and very good) was that the high vision WR adjusts to the ball in flight better.
The WR's I've seen that have success are all built very differently. They all have soft capped agility/speed and catch usually at or 'almost' at (lots of good level 27 WR's with 45 and 44 catching)the cap, but after that they're totally different. Other than that the only thing they had in common (except for ONE player) was that their strength was all above 20.
Now clay has re-energized all those vision loves, lol.
I still don't beleive that vision is that important for WRs, though we do have 1 example where its made a player successful.
LOL.
I just think he likes to say ambiguous stuff so people talk about him.
I've seen 3 total successful builds with high vision. NONE were soft capped, but all three were over 40. All hauled in 60% of their passes or higher. As far as what I've seen from watching high vision WR opposed to a low vision WR (both productive and very good) was that the high vision WR adjusts to the ball in flight better.
The WR's I've seen that have success are all built very differently. They all have soft capped agility/speed and catch usually at or 'almost' at (lots of good level 27 WR's with 45 and 44 catching)the cap, but after that they're totally different. Other than that the only thing they had in common (except for ONE player) was that their strength was all above 20.
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It really depends if you plan on being a possession or speed reciever. Id say for posession, jumping and strength are fairly important. Catching/vision is important for both but soft capping vision or jumping is not a priority for me.
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It all depends on what offensive system you play in. My Wr has no where near the soft cap in vision and has his second 1,000 yd plus season in the Oceanic Pro League (with 2 other wr's on the team at 1,000 yds)
There is not a right build and a wrong build. You have to build your WR for your offensive system. My team runs a lot of deep routes so speed and agility is key. Also this might be a surprise to some but we like all our wr's to have over 30 strength. That's the most underrated attribute for wr's.
There is not a right build and a wrong build. You have to build your WR for your offensive system. My team runs a lot of deep routes so speed and agility is key. Also this might be a surprise to some but we like all our wr's to have over 30 strength. That's the most underrated attribute for wr's.
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if u softcap vison as a WR by level 27 your dumb as a nut
jumping is HUGE in WRs...but what would i konw
jumping is HUGE in WRs...but what would i konw
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Originally posted by osu11
if u softcap vison as a WR by level 27 your dumb as a nut
jumping is HUGE in WRs...but what would i konw
I don't know, what would you know? you have a lvl 29 center. not saying youre wrong but i mean, dont act like you got some mysterious true knowledge if you're just reading too much into some post by bort. Frankly, id be shocked if at least half of the lvl 27 WR dont have jumping AND vision to at least 40+ by level 27. Even counting for a moderate amount of SAs its pretty damn east to have every important skill to 30 and 5 at at least the first soft cap by 27.
if u softcap vison as a WR by level 27 your dumb as a nut
jumping is HUGE in WRs...but what would i konw
I don't know, what would you know? you have a lvl 29 center. not saying youre wrong but i mean, dont act like you got some mysterious true knowledge if you're just reading too much into some post by bort. Frankly, id be shocked if at least half of the lvl 27 WR dont have jumping AND vision to at least 40+ by level 27. Even counting for a moderate amount of SAs its pretty damn east to have every important skill to 30 and 5 at at least the first soft cap by 27.
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Originally posted by knudlen
Originally posted by osu11
if u softcap vison as a WR by level 27 your dumb as a nut
jumping is HUGE in WRs...but what would i konw
I don't know, what would you know? you have a lvl 29 center. not saying youre wrong but i mean, dont act like you got some mysterious true knowledge if you're just reading too much into some post by bort. Frankly, id be shocked if at least half of the lvl 27 WR dont have jumping AND vision to at least 40+ by level 27. Even counting for a moderate amount of SAs its pretty damn east to have every important skill to 30 and 5 at at least the first soft cap by 27.
well idk how much u read the forums but im the same guy that put on the recieving jumping/vison expierement....and myself and a few other ppl have seen a few things that caugth my eye
Originally posted by osu11
if u softcap vison as a WR by level 27 your dumb as a nut
jumping is HUGE in WRs...but what would i konw
I don't know, what would you know? you have a lvl 29 center. not saying youre wrong but i mean, dont act like you got some mysterious true knowledge if you're just reading too much into some post by bort. Frankly, id be shocked if at least half of the lvl 27 WR dont have jumping AND vision to at least 40+ by level 27. Even counting for a moderate amount of SAs its pretty damn east to have every important skill to 30 and 5 at at least the first soft cap by 27.
well idk how much u read the forums but im the same guy that put on the recieving jumping/vison expierement....and myself and a few other ppl have seen a few things that caugth my eye
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Maybe not a horrible idea to prioritize them almost equally.
Though I've never seen a WR "dive for yards", the jumping stat allegedly contributes to your ability to burst into motion. Perhaps this means that it helps with acceleration, meaning it'd help with 1. getting open and 2. making the catch.
Vision on the other hand, I don't believe it helps you get open because WRs run routes, they don't look for openings in D. It would however help with the catch logically because you have to see the ball in advance, while in your route, and turn and catch it. It should also help avoid tackles because this IS the point at which you look for openings unless you're lucky (or fast) enough to be behind all defenders after the catch, and quick enough to accelerate before they catch you.
So, my opinion is that vision and jumping are both important but not primary. If you want to return punts or kicks vision would help you more than jumping. At least I'm pretty sure you can't leap over tackles (yet), maybe I'm wrong.
If you're a typical run and catch WR jumping and vision are probably somewhere in the range of equal.
Though I've never seen a WR "dive for yards", the jumping stat allegedly contributes to your ability to burst into motion. Perhaps this means that it helps with acceleration, meaning it'd help with 1. getting open and 2. making the catch.
Vision on the other hand, I don't believe it helps you get open because WRs run routes, they don't look for openings in D. It would however help with the catch logically because you have to see the ball in advance, while in your route, and turn and catch it. It should also help avoid tackles because this IS the point at which you look for openings unless you're lucky (or fast) enough to be behind all defenders after the catch, and quick enough to accelerate before they catch you.
So, my opinion is that vision and jumping are both important but not primary. If you want to return punts or kicks vision would help you more than jumping. At least I'm pretty sure you can't leap over tackles (yet), maybe I'm wrong.
If you're a typical run and catch WR jumping and vision are probably somewhere in the range of equal.
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Originally posted by Daddy Warbucks
Maybe not a horrible idea to prioritize them almost equally.
Though I've never seen a WR "dive for yards", the jumping stat allegedly contributes to your ability to burst into motion. Perhaps this means that it helps with acceleration, meaning it'd help with 1. getting open and 2. making the catch.
Vision on the other hand, I don't believe it helps you get open because WRs run routes, they don't look for openings in D. It would however help with the catch logically because you have to see the ball in advance, while in your route, and turn and catch it. It should also help avoid tackles because this IS the point at which you look for openings unless you're lucky (or fast) enough to be behind all defenders after the catch, and quick enough to accelerate before they catch you.
So, my opinion is that vision and jumping are both important but not primary. If you want to return punts or kicks vision would help you more than jumping. At least I'm pretty sure you can't leap over tackles (yet), maybe I'm wrong.
If you're a typical run and catch WR jumping and vision are probably somewhere in the range of equal.
i was told that bort has metinoed somewhere that jumping does in fact help u avoid low arm tackles....but i cant find it...it might be in the HB club forum
Maybe not a horrible idea to prioritize them almost equally.
Though I've never seen a WR "dive for yards", the jumping stat allegedly contributes to your ability to burst into motion. Perhaps this means that it helps with acceleration, meaning it'd help with 1. getting open and 2. making the catch.
Vision on the other hand, I don't believe it helps you get open because WRs run routes, they don't look for openings in D. It would however help with the catch logically because you have to see the ball in advance, while in your route, and turn and catch it. It should also help avoid tackles because this IS the point at which you look for openings unless you're lucky (or fast) enough to be behind all defenders after the catch, and quick enough to accelerate before they catch you.
So, my opinion is that vision and jumping are both important but not primary. If you want to return punts or kicks vision would help you more than jumping. At least I'm pretty sure you can't leap over tackles (yet), maybe I'm wrong.
If you're a typical run and catch WR jumping and vision are probably somewhere in the range of equal.
i was told that bort has metinoed somewhere that jumping does in fact help u avoid low arm tackles....but i cant find it...it might be in the HB club forum
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Originally posted by osu11
PM me if u want more information....ill let u know what i can
i'm definitely interested in anything anyone has done as far as experiments or studies or anything thats more than just talking about your own build. Have you posted about it elsewhere? A link to that would be great, or anything you feel more comfortable telling in PMs is fine. I'm a big believer in sharing info but if youre not im certainly not going to say you have to.
PM me if u want more information....ill let u know what i can
i'm definitely interested in anything anyone has done as far as experiments or studies or anything thats more than just talking about your own build. Have you posted about it elsewhere? A link to that would be great, or anything you feel more comfortable telling in PMs is fine. I'm a big believer in sharing info but if youre not im certainly not going to say you have to.
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http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=860211&page=1
thats the results thread
u dont get alot out of the stats alone... but..well ull see
PM comming
thats the results thread
u dont get alot out of the stats alone... but..well ull see
PM comming
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