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Originally posted by Magnitude
Originally posted by Daddy Warbucks

Originally posted by alfies


It doesn't help that you're in the No. 2 WR spot, either. We have a "jack of all trades" WR on our team and I love him.


What's wrong with the #2 spot? I'm there on my team...

Well unless #2 is your setup for a slot WR (and it likely is not), you'll be heading deep, with average speed and agility, low catching and very low vision...pretty useless. Try slants to the middle (think what a TE does)

My team leader has it set up in the old WR style, we're all just listed under WR, not WR 1 2 3 etc, but I am usually played in 2 and am second on the list. We have a faster/less agile guy third on the list.. should I request that be switched if I'm a 50 speed/50 agi guy?

Originally posted by Daddy Warbucks
Originally posted by alfies

It doesn't help that you're in the No. 2 WR spot, either. We have a "jack of all trades" WR on our team and I love him.


What's wrong with the #2 spot? I'm there on my team...

Generally the No. 2 WR doesn't get as many looks as the No. 1/3, especially in the red zone.

I see. Well, I just got put in #3 and taken off of KOS and KRS with a half hour to game time. I'm a happy camper.

Originally posted by Kung Set
Originally posted by Mob-6

Originally posted by Kung Set


Originally posted by Daddy Warbucks




look at it this way though: the most important stat for a WR is yards per reception

How do you figure?


Easy. If you have 1 receiver who averages 100 receptions a game and gains 1 yard per catch he really isn't doing anything for your team. If you have another receiver who averages 1 catch a game for 100 yards he is getting you a TD. If both of these guys were on your roster, which one would you want to make an effort to get the ball to more?

This is too extreme of an example to be useful. I can play that game too. Would you rather have a player that gets 1 reception for an average 15 yards per game, or one that gets 10 receptions for 120 yards a game?

I apologize, I didn't know you were just trolling. I guess the short answer to your original question is "How don't you figure?"

My example was not extreme, both receivers average the exact same yards a game,100, aren't you going to make an effort to target the receiver who gains more yards per catch?

Originally posted by Mob-6
Originally posted by Kung Set

Originally posted by Mob-6


Originally posted by Kung Set



Originally posted by Daddy Warbucks





look at it this way though: the most important stat for a WR is yards per reception

How do you figure?


Easy. If you have 1 receiver who averages 100 receptions a game and gains 1 yard per catch he really isn't doing anything for your team. If you have another receiver who averages 1 catch a game for 100 yards he is getting you a TD. If both of these guys were on your roster, which one would you want to make an effort to get the ball to more?

This is too extreme of an example to be useful. I can play that game too. Would you rather have a player that gets 1 reception for an average 15 yards per game, or one that gets 10 receptions for 120 yards a game?

I apologize, I didn't know you were just trolling. I guess the short answer to your original question is "How don't you figure?"

My example was not extreme, both receivers average the exact same yards a game,100, aren't you going to make an effort to target the receiver who gains more yards per catch?

You do realize that YPC has more to do with the route you run than anything else in this game right? Now if you tell me two guys ran the exact same routes against the exact same players and one guy had more YPC than sure, but what are the chances that ever happens?

Originally posted by Alex44

You do realize that YPC has more to do with the route you run than anything else in this game right? Now if you tell me two guys ran the exact same routes against the exact same players and one guy had more YPC than sure, but what are the chances that ever happens?

All the same, yards per game is determined by your team's strategy, your position on the depth chart, your exact competition in each game determined by the opposing team's depth chart, what teams you're on aside from WR, whether or not you get an unlucky drop and suffer lowered morale, etc

You'd have to be on the same team to get a rough idea of whether or not two WRs were equal using that stat, and even then it's not entirely accurate.

I prefer looking at YPC. To each their own.

Originally posted by Daddy Warbucks
Originally posted by Alex44


You do realize that YPC has more to do with the route you run than anything else in this game right? Now if you tell me two guys ran the exact same routes against the exact same players and one guy had more YPC than sure, but what are the chances that ever happens?

All the same, yards per game is determined by your team's strategy, your position on the depth chart, your exact competition in each game determined by the opposing team's depth chart, what teams you're on aside from WR, whether or not you get an unlucky drop and suffer lowered morale, etc

You'd have to be on the same team to get a rough idea of whether or not two WRs were equal using that stat, and even then it's not entirely accurate.

I prefer looking at YPC. To each their own.

YPC isn't a useless stat at all. If a guy has a load of catches and still averages like 12+ YPC thats great. If we're asking whether we want a guy who keeps the chains moving on a consistant basis, or a guy that might break one every couple games but not much else I'll take the consistant guy.

There is way more than one way to build a player though and a guy with high YPC should always have a place on a team. Like you said, to each their own.

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Originally posted by Alex44
Originally posted by Daddy Warbucks

Originally posted by Alex44



You do realize that YPC has more to do with the route you run than anything else in this game right? Now if you tell me two guys ran the exact same routes against the exact same players and one guy had more YPC than sure, but what are the chances that ever happens?

All the same, yards per game is determined by your team's strategy, your position on the depth chart, your exact competition in each game determined by the opposing team's depth chart, what teams you're on aside from WR, whether or not you get an unlucky drop and suffer lowered morale, etc

You'd have to be on the same team to get a rough idea of whether or not two WRs were equal using that stat, and even then it's not entirely accurate.

I prefer looking at YPC. To each their own.

YPC isn't a useless stat at all. If a guy has a load of catches and still averages like 12+ YPC thats great. If we're asking whether we want a guy who keeps the chains moving on a consistant basis, or a guy that might break one every couple games but not much else I'll take the consistant guy.

There is way more than one way to build a player though and a guy with high YPC should always have a place on a team. Like you said, to each their own.


So if not YPC then what? You can argue all day that cars are a terrible mode of transportation, but until you provide an alternative solution that is as cheap, readily accessible, and viable, you're just a complainer. Do you hold the same philosophy for a starting RB, his yards per carry aren't the best measure of his success?

Originally posted by Mob-6
Originally posted by Alex44

Originally posted by Daddy Warbucks


Originally posted by Alex44




You do realize that YPC has more to do with the route you run than anything else in this game right? Now if you tell me two guys ran the exact same routes against the exact same players and one guy had more YPC than sure, but what are the chances that ever happens?

All the same, yards per game is determined by your team's strategy, your position on the depth chart, your exact competition in each game determined by the opposing team's depth chart, what teams you're on aside from WR, whether or not you get an unlucky drop and suffer lowered morale, etc

You'd have to be on the same team to get a rough idea of whether or not two WRs were equal using that stat, and even then it's not entirely accurate.

I prefer looking at YPC. To each their own.

YPC isn't a useless stat at all. If a guy has a load of catches and still averages like 12+ YPC thats great. If we're asking whether we want a guy who keeps the chains moving on a consistant basis, or a guy that might break one every couple games but not much else I'll take the consistant guy.

There is way more than one way to build a player though and a guy with high YPC should always have a place on a team. Like you said, to each their own.


So if not YPC then what? You can argue all day that cars are a terrible mode of transportation, but until you provide an alternative solution that is as cheap, readily accessible, and viable, you're just a complainer. Do you hold the same philosophy for a starting RB, his yards per carry aren't the best measure of his success?


I don't know, catches? They show an ability to actually get open on a consistant basis. Percentage of passes thrown at you that were caught? That one doesn't show up on the stat page but it's not hard to figure out. That one can be slanted due to a low number of throws at you of course. So how about number of passes thrown at you? That one shows how well you are getting open, only bad thing is if the QB has a favorite target set (which he shouldnt anyway).

Actually yards per carry can be deceiving too, especially in real life. How the line blocks is 90% of that stat. For backs though it's hard to find another stat that could actually tell the story of how he played, so yes yards per carry is the best for a back by default.

The fact is that a guy who runs streak patterns will ALWAYS have a higher yard per catch than a guy who runs a slant route over the middle. That tells you that the stat doesn't mean much.

Alot of catches with a decent ypc is > than a larger ypc w/ less catches IMO from a player-to-player stand point, though the gap in each of the numbers is important. In theory you want both types of players on your team though of course.

Your 100 catches with 1 ypc example is rediculous btw, since no WR's average under 6-7 in this game...

Any ypc gap of 2 or less is almost meaningly due to things like specific routes, and how much 1 play can turn the tides with a small sample size. When your looking for WR's, catches are what matter most, and if the catches are close (or he has alot of catches for his position) then ypc comes into play.

100 catches for 800 yards is > 32 catches for 480 yards. As long as you have WR's out there getting open and moving the chains, thats what matters. So much of it comes from who your being covered by as well of course.

Also, I agree 100% with Alex44, so anything not covered in my arguement, please refer to his...

His issue is vision. >25 vision is not going to help you get open.
owever, a WR is tied to his QB and OLine. How are they. I say bring your vision up to at least 35 and you will see the difference. DOn't listen to these guys about ignoring strenth and carring..


1) All those speed Cbs with 12 strength will bow to you when you are at level 25+
2) Carring determins how well you break tackles. Added to the strength you have at 25 and you will see more broken tackles by weaker CBs making you a YAC weapon.

You should bring Vision up but don't ignore strenght and carring.
Chage you run style to combo or power.

Softcap agility , catching , vision in that order , while training confidence to +30 .

I do believe carrying is a good stat, but it has nothing to do with breaking tackles, it has to do with avoiding them via agility. Strength does not belong on WRs in my opinion. TEs can/should do it and be more versatile considering their primary function is blocking.

As for the YPC argument, catches per game is a decent way to consider how effective a WR is at getting open... That is, until you consider that a team may be primarily a passing team, or that the depth chart may have 5 or 6 recievers on it vs some teams having only 3 WRs. It makes a huge difference, and in order you even slightly speculate based on that you have to look at the team and the opponents, not just the number you see when you go to the character's page. That tells you nothing.

I see some of these 70-100 YPGame WRs sounding like knowitalls (no offense to the lot of you who don't), when the only reason they have 90 YPGs is because their RBs suck major ass and their team never runs rush plays. Some teams are the opposite and a WR with the exact same build could end up with 50 less YPG but the same YPC because they never get passed to.

^That's why I look at YPC.

And the reason OP might not be getting any touchdowns is that team settings usually go to rush plays when it's minimal yards to goal.
Many believe it to be a more reliable means of gaining small yardage.

If you want to make a 50 yard touchdown, you certainly need much more speed, vision(depending on how much you believe this stat affects WRs), or sheer luck.

Your effectiveness as a WR also has a lot to do with your QB, but I don't think that's the problem after looking at your team and the other WRs you have.