James Diceman- MA
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franciscoroark,
The purpose of my scoring has an element that I don't think you took into consideration.
The -1 for tackles perfectly compliments the +1 for every 10 plays.
Say you play in 53 plays and you shut down your receiver and was never targeted. Let's just assume that the opponent never ran the ball and you never sacked the QB.
With that above scenario, I'd say you did a GREAT job at CB. The way my system is scored, for those 53 plays, you just earned 5 points. the equivalent of an interception and a couple of PDs.
Say you played in 53 plays and have 5 tackles against your own receiver. That to me, sounds like an average game for an average CB. Therefore, it's a good thing that the 5 points you get for the 50 plays cancels out with the 5 tackles you made against your receiver. Your base number is zero.
The purpose of my scoring has an element that I don't think you took into consideration.
The -1 for tackles perfectly compliments the +1 for every 10 plays.
Say you play in 53 plays and you shut down your receiver and was never targeted. Let's just assume that the opponent never ran the ball and you never sacked the QB.
With that above scenario, I'd say you did a GREAT job at CB. The way my system is scored, for those 53 plays, you just earned 5 points. the equivalent of an interception and a couple of PDs.
Say you played in 53 plays and have 5 tackles against your own receiver. That to me, sounds like an average game for an average CB. Therefore, it's a good thing that the 5 points you get for the 50 plays cancels out with the 5 tackles you made against your receiver. Your base number is zero.
Originally posted by kalkmanc
those tackle on rb/wr stats look way to hard to track.what if the rb is the receiver
Good point, I am going to say that if the HB recieves the ball on at (or near?) the LoS its a 2 point play.
If the HB recieves the ball past the LoS then its a 1 point play?
(This is still very hard to track. I dont like the assigned / not assigned bit its too open to interpretation BUT it is the RIGHT thing to do.)
those tackle on rb/wr stats look way to hard to track.what if the rb is the receiver
Good point, I am going to say that if the HB recieves the ball on at (or near?) the LoS its a 2 point play.
If the HB recieves the ball past the LoS then its a 1 point play?
(This is still very hard to track. I dont like the assigned / not assigned bit its too open to interpretation BUT it is the RIGHT thing to do.)
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Originally posted by Mike Rogers
Originally posted by kalkmanc
those tackle on rb/wr stats look way to hard to track.what if the rb is the receiver
Good point, I am going to say that if the HB recieves the ball on at (or near?) the LoS its a 2 point play.
If the HB recieves the ball past the LoS then its a 1 point play?
(This is still very hard to track. I dont like the assigned / not assigned bit its too open to interpretation BUT it is the RIGHT thing to do.)
It's not too common in GLB for a corner to be assigned to a RB. I guess it happens, but I'd like to see a few replays so I can try and figure something out.
Originally posted by kalkmanc
those tackle on rb/wr stats look way to hard to track.what if the rb is the receiver
Good point, I am going to say that if the HB recieves the ball on at (or near?) the LoS its a 2 point play.
If the HB recieves the ball past the LoS then its a 1 point play?
(This is still very hard to track. I dont like the assigned / not assigned bit its too open to interpretation BUT it is the RIGHT thing to do.)
It's not too common in GLB for a corner to be assigned to a RB. I guess it happens, but I'd like to see a few replays so I can try and figure something out.
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Finally!~!~!~!~! A productive WEPL related Forum topic!!!!!
Sorry fellas....but Dont'evan Trymi is going to take this competition!!
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Sorry fellas....but Dont'evan Trymi is going to take this competition!!
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I guess that in a Cover 2 the HB would be in the CBs assigned zone fairly often, so hows that effect things.
Is it less points for a Sweep Vs the Cover 2 press? and that would change if it was Man Under.
Its a can of worms.
How bout just RB = 2 points then?
Is it less points for a Sweep Vs the Cover 2 press? and that would change if it was Man Under.
Its a can of worms.
How bout just RB = 2 points then?
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Originally posted by Mike Rogers
I guess that in a Cover 2 the HB would be in the CBs assigned zone fairly often, so hows that effect things.
Is it less points for a Sweep Vs the Cover 2 press? and that would change if it was Man Under.
Its a can of worms.
How bout just RB = 2 points then?
It's already complicated enough as it is. Not a whole lot of teams are using a lot of zone coverage at this point (although that could change this season).
If an RB is split wide, he essentially becomes a receiver, and if you're manned up on him, he is your assigned receiver.
This game doesn't usually assign a CB to a HB in man coverage. I don't think I've ever seen it happen in this game. As far as zone defense goes, I already explained how I feel about that. If you make a tackle against any reciever, and you're in zone coverage, you most likely didn't do your job, because you were responsible for that area, not any particular receiver.
I guess that in a Cover 2 the HB would be in the CBs assigned zone fairly often, so hows that effect things.
Is it less points for a Sweep Vs the Cover 2 press? and that would change if it was Man Under.
Its a can of worms.
How bout just RB = 2 points then?
It's already complicated enough as it is. Not a whole lot of teams are using a lot of zone coverage at this point (although that could change this season).
If an RB is split wide, he essentially becomes a receiver, and if you're manned up on him, he is your assigned receiver.
This game doesn't usually assign a CB to a HB in man coverage. I don't think I've ever seen it happen in this game. As far as zone defense goes, I already explained how I feel about that. If you make a tackle against any reciever, and you're in zone coverage, you most likely didn't do your job, because you were responsible for that area, not any particular receiver.
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Harold Longfellow, CB, Rohrheim Stampede
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Scrimmage vs Carthage: 6 points
45 plays, 1 tackle (RB pitch), 1 missed tackle, 1 TD given up, 5 PDs.
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Scrimmage vs Carthage: 6 points
45 plays, 1 tackle (RB pitch), 1 missed tackle, 1 TD given up, 5 PDs.
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Lenny Bailey, CB, Scoregasms
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Originally posted by jprietman
franciscoroark,
The purpose of my scoring has an element that I don't think you took into consideration.
The -1 for tackles perfectly compliments the +1 for every 10 plays.
Say you play in 53 plays and you shut down your receiver and was never targeted. Let's just assume that the opponent never ran the ball and you never sacked the QB.
With that above scenario, I'd say you did a GREAT job at CB. The way my system is scored, for those 53 plays, you just earned 5 points. the equivalent of an interception and a couple of PDs.
Say you played in 53 plays and have 5 tackles against your own receiver. That to me, sounds like an average game for an average CB. Therefore, it's a good thing that the 5 points you get for the 50 plays cancels out with the 5 tackles you made against your receiver. Your base number is zero.
I disagree that the number of plays complements the number of tackles made. To go that route means that there's a sub-par cornerback on a 0-16 team that's in 70 plays a game, makes 7 tackles and is therefore equal to your average cornerback; as is the nickel/dime CB who's in for 20 plays and makes 2 tackles.
It could be just me, but I'm not convinced that the AI recognizes a penultimate shut down corner and avoids him, like an NFL quarterback might've avoided Deion Sanders or avoids Champ Bailey.
Look at your last part and at my suggestions.
Your way: 50 plays (+5), 5 tackles (-5) = 0
My way: 50 plays (-), 5 tackles (0) = 0
It seems to me that your baseline is almost perfection. To gain points, he has to completely shut down an opposing offense. He can't make any tackles, on any player. We agree that making tackles isn't necessarily a desired stat for a cornerback, but why punish him for it? Don't reward him for it, and instead punish him for allowing the catches to be made (the percentage). An average quarterback in our league completes about 60% of his passes. Reward a player for keeping that percentage low, punish him for allowing a higher one.
franciscoroark,
The purpose of my scoring has an element that I don't think you took into consideration.
The -1 for tackles perfectly compliments the +1 for every 10 plays.
Say you play in 53 plays and you shut down your receiver and was never targeted. Let's just assume that the opponent never ran the ball and you never sacked the QB.
With that above scenario, I'd say you did a GREAT job at CB. The way my system is scored, for those 53 plays, you just earned 5 points. the equivalent of an interception and a couple of PDs.
Say you played in 53 plays and have 5 tackles against your own receiver. That to me, sounds like an average game for an average CB. Therefore, it's a good thing that the 5 points you get for the 50 plays cancels out with the 5 tackles you made against your receiver. Your base number is zero.
I disagree that the number of plays complements the number of tackles made. To go that route means that there's a sub-par cornerback on a 0-16 team that's in 70 plays a game, makes 7 tackles and is therefore equal to your average cornerback; as is the nickel/dime CB who's in for 20 plays and makes 2 tackles.
It could be just me, but I'm not convinced that the AI recognizes a penultimate shut down corner and avoids him, like an NFL quarterback might've avoided Deion Sanders or avoids Champ Bailey.
Look at your last part and at my suggestions.
Your way: 50 plays (+5), 5 tackles (-5) = 0
My way: 50 plays (-), 5 tackles (0) = 0
It seems to me that your baseline is almost perfection. To gain points, he has to completely shut down an opposing offense. He can't make any tackles, on any player. We agree that making tackles isn't necessarily a desired stat for a cornerback, but why punish him for it? Don't reward him for it, and instead punish him for allowing the catches to be made (the percentage). An average quarterback in our league completes about 60% of his passes. Reward a player for keeping that percentage low, punish him for allowing a higher one.
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Originally posted by franciscoroark
It seems to me that your baseline is almost perfection. To gain points, he has to completely shut down an opposing offense. He can't make any tackles, on any player. We agree that making tackles isn't necessarily a desired stat for a cornerback, but why punish him for it? Don't reward him for it, and instead punish him for allowing the catches to be made (the percentage). An average quarterback in our league completes about 60% of his passes. Reward a player for keeping that percentage low, punish him for allowing a higher one.
Not necessarily. If you look at the OP, the CB is rewarded for making tackles on an RB or QB. The total profit from tackling an RB/QB is 1 point. And if he tackles a receiver he's not responsible for, the total profit is zero, which therefore removes the penalty of the tackle, same goes with special teams tackles.
The added bonus is...
My way: 50 plays (+5), 0 tackles (-0) = 5
Your way: 50 plays (+0), 0 tackles (-0) = 0
And then there's no need to calculate percentages. Nobody in this forum is going to want to calculate percentages. Besides, this is a CB challenge, not a Defensive Unit challenge. The QB's completion percentage is dependent on every single player on the field.
It seems to me that your baseline is almost perfection. To gain points, he has to completely shut down an opposing offense. He can't make any tackles, on any player. We agree that making tackles isn't necessarily a desired stat for a cornerback, but why punish him for it? Don't reward him for it, and instead punish him for allowing the catches to be made (the percentage). An average quarterback in our league completes about 60% of his passes. Reward a player for keeping that percentage low, punish him for allowing a higher one.
Not necessarily. If you look at the OP, the CB is rewarded for making tackles on an RB or QB. The total profit from tackling an RB/QB is 1 point. And if he tackles a receiver he's not responsible for, the total profit is zero, which therefore removes the penalty of the tackle, same goes with special teams tackles.
The added bonus is...
My way: 50 plays (+5), 0 tackles (-0) = 5
Your way: 50 plays (+0), 0 tackles (-0) = 0
And then there's no need to calculate percentages. Nobody in this forum is going to want to calculate percentages. Besides, this is a CB challenge, not a Defensive Unit challenge. The QB's completion percentage is dependent on every single player on the field.
Last edited Jul 28, 2008 13:14:19
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Still can't understand why you're insisting on punishing a guy for making tackles, and how your reasoning behind it is to emphasize a utopian ideal.
Edit: Also, to reward a CB for being on the field during running plays is odd as well. An offense may run about 70 plays a game. A balanced team will run about 35 times, and pass about 35 times. You've just awarded the CB who plays every down 7 points, even though he might not be involved in the play by design. That's not a reward for good play, that's a reward for attendance.
Edit: Also, to reward a CB for being on the field during running plays is odd as well. An offense may run about 70 plays a game. A balanced team will run about 35 times, and pass about 35 times. You've just awarded the CB who plays every down 7 points, even though he might not be involved in the play by design. That's not a reward for good play, that's a reward for attendance.
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