Warrior General Games

Originally posted by tremele
While I 100% agree with you, didn't you join the Mob with your dot(s) after the cheating scandal?

Fair point.

My perspective at the time:

PJ had publicly in that thread promised to never do equipment removal scumbag cheating stuff again. He had also apologized via PM and re-affirmed that he would not do that again to anyone.

I gave him 2 dots, each for 1 season.

Dot #1 was my awesome blitz CB Darth Vader. His team had imploded and had 1 more year of plateau left. He sent me the only offer on d42 so I figured OK and accepted. I did want the dot to have a final season in Pro by a non-AFK DC who'd try to blitz him. I assumed his apology was sincere and figured why not. I was also dealing with some personal/family stuff at the time with my mom, so not having the hassle of posting on PLFT was appealing.

Dot #2 the next season, I had a bad WR in his first year of decline. Tbh it was really weird that he sent the dot an offer. This was a bad dot before decline and I planned to retired, but figured "why not" and honestly assumed he'd be a net-negative to Mob's chances.


Obviously I did not defend the equipment removal cheating stuff, I just accepted his apology at face value and moved on. Again, the OP and reference thread is completely separate from whatever PooPeeGate cheating was.

If I knew they were actively cheating in this way, I would not have given them any dots, of course. I also never allowed another PJ dot onto one of my teams after the initial incident.

You can accept an apology and move on without further involvement. I don’t buy the claim that “no one else offered a contract.” I regularly use the marketplace and get signed without issue.

That said, experienced dot builders (like yourself) tend to repeatedly sign with the same teams run by the same agents. I’ve built multiple dots myself and had no trouble avoiding those groups.

If an agent cheats or behaves unethically, I simply won’t sign with them again. There are still agents out there, who haven’t been banned, actively abusing the game through excessive multi-accounts and a history of equipment removal. Many of these same agents are spread across a large portion of GLB teams, despite having no real credentials or track record of skill.

They didn’t reach the top through ability—just exploitation. Over time, people seem to have forgotten how they got there and now treat them as if they know what they’re doing. They don’t.

Originally posted by tremele
You can accept an apology and move on without further involvement. I don’t buy the claim that “no one else offered a contract.” I regularly use the marketplace and get signed without issue.


No other Pro team offered a contract. I didn't advertise on PLFT or marketplace. Though obviously I can do whatever I want with my dots, and whether I want to "forgive" is a personal choice, irregardless of whether that forgiveness turned out to be misplaced.

But regardless, choosing to put a dot on a team (when I was among those originally wronged by the equipment removal cheating) is not in any way is an immoral or scandalous act by me.

And sure I could have taken the OP with more grace I guess. I just am a little annoyed with conflating the equipment cheating (which we knew about) and PooPeeGate (which we didn't know about) for someone to say suddenly they were wrong about defending the former. Since equipment removal cheating was always clearly wrong and nothing has changed in that aspect.

It's not always easy to find a home for a blitzing CB - even a really, really good one

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
Fair point.

My perspective at the time:

PJ had publicly in that thread promised to never do equipment removal scumbag cheating stuff again. He had also apologized via PM and re-affirmed that he would not do that again to anyone.

I gave him 2 dots, each for 1 season.

Dot #1 was my awesome blitz CB Darth Vader. His team had imploded and had 1 more year of plateau left. He sent me the only offer on d42 so I figured OK and accepted. I did want the dot to have a final season in Pro by a non-AFK DC who'd try to blitz him. I assumed his apology was sincere and figured why not. I was also dealing with some personal/family stuff at the time with my mom, so not having the hassle of posting on PLFT was appealing.

Dot #2 the next season, I had a bad WR in his first year of decline. Tbh it was really weird that he sent the dot an offer. This was a bad dot before decline and I planned to retired, but figured "why not" and honestly assumed he'd be a net-negative to Mob's chances.


Obviously I did not defend the equipment removal cheating stuff, I just accepted his apology at face value and moved on. Again, the OP and reference thread is completely separate from whatever PooPeeGate cheating was.

If I knew they were actively cheating in this way, I would not have given them any dots, of course. I also never allowed another PJ dot onto one of my teams after the initial incident.

no he didn't

he bragged about it in the league forum

Everyone trolls the forums. He talks serious dots if you want or regular stuff

Originally posted by reddogrw
no he didn't

he bragged about it in the league forum

The whole PJ vs Tomcic/Red thing is a different incident than what is being referenced in this thread.

While another equipment removal incident is deplorable cheating, I think that was retaliatory to perceived cheating of Tomcic using his private global scouting script for competitive advantage (which has a level of validity and IMHO should not be allowed in GLB, but I digress as admin are too afk to fix).

One doesn't excuse the other of course, but in my incident he had apologized (linked thread page 1 goes to an OP edit that links to apology) as well as via PM to me. So your comment is mistaken.

Regardless my hands are not bloodied nor my sportsmanship compromised by have 1 great dot and 1 bad dot on mob for a season each. I still do not and never did defend or condone any of their actions, nor did I recommend having his dots on anyone else team before or after the incident.

Heck, even the original offending dot was not recruited by me as I don't own the teams I OC, and I was unaware that morbid fox was a PJ multi until after the incident.

The only person I would never give a dot to is Kenshinzen. He crosses the like talking personal non dot related trash.

I don't want your dots Playfakers, are mediocre compared to mine. You're not the elite dotbuilder you think you're. And you don't want to open the personal attack box, you've been the one banned from forums, not me (and I have your PMs as a reminder). So go sell your lies elswhere.

Yes they must suck. Only the 2 greatest teams ever allowed them.

They had so many on sterois that didn't matter anyway. Tell me where is KC and the other Playfakers team (best team ever) full of your dots?

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN

While another equipment removal incident is deplorable cheating, I think that was retaliatory to perceived cheating of Tomcic using his private global scouting script for competitive advantage (which has a level of validity and IMHO should not be allowed in GLB, but I digress as admin are too afk to fix).

One doesn't excuse the other of course, but in my incident he had apologized (linked thread page 1 goes to an OP edit that links to apology) as well as via PM to me. So your comment is mistaken.


If you don't like it, ban greasemonkey scripts in general. He could have used chatGPT for the coding part the same way he used it for the heartfelt apology to you in the one GLB thread.

Speaking of apologies, if his intentions of PMing you were so pure and authentic, how come those pricks haven't apologized in the GLB discord channel for robbing 5 seasons worth of dottime? I still see their names lurking there in the shadows like little rats.

And to PJ, i know you are reading this through one of your multis, i hope you are at least man enough in real life to be a good "girldad" and not hiding like a rat, every you are facing the music in RL

To be clear, clearly PJ & friends are peices of shit who cheated in multiple ways and no apology meant anything or would mean anything. I would not have put Vader on his team for a season knowing what I know now, quite obviously.

I was just speaking to my train of thought a few months ago and why I did so. Not in any way defending the cheaters or attesting to their pure sincerity.

Fwiw my bad decline WR being on Mob and playing like a beast was 1 of the components that led to this scandal being brought up to Bort and actually found.

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
Fwiw my bad decline WR being on Mob and playing like a beast was 1 of the components that led to this scandal being brought up to Bort and actually found.

100% the smoking gun

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
To be clear, clearly PJ & friends are peices of shit who cheated in multiple ways and no apology meant anything or would mean anything. I would not have put Vader on his team for a season knowing what I know now, quite obviously.

I was just speaking to my train of thought a few months ago and why I did so. Not in any way defending the cheaters or attesting to their pure sincerity.

Fwiw my bad decline WR being on Mob and playing like a beast was 1 of the components that led to this scandal being brought up to Bort and actually found.

PJ proved his character by continuously being caught cheating. How many time did he cheat and not get caught?

And why spend so much effort to cheat at a nearly 20 year old browser game?