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Originally posted by ewinter43
The average American doesn't understand basic economics much less how tariffs work.

oh. please walk us through how USA receiving money is bad

As a European ,just a few questions :

1. Isnt it free choice where businesses source goods/raw materials from in order to be most profitible ?
2. Won't Tariffs just be another form of Federal Sales Tax, passed on to consumer ?
3. Wasn't NAFTA meant to level the playing field & stop Govt intervention in operation Free Market ?
4. Don't states subsidies/ intervention support inefficient business practises ?
5. Are US Consumers expecting shortages & price rises in some goods ?

Thanks

Originally posted by Daedalus
Wrong thread/forum/website. Talk politics on the other 95% of platforms that cater to it please. Some come here for an intentional escape from it.

+1

Elon Musk bought our current president. Not a lot we can do. Just buckle up, get a helmet, and try to survive the crazy.

Patience. I don't think the plan is for these to be "forever" tariffs. They're designed to send a message.

I don't think anyone who understands economics believes tariffs to be great long-term policy. But shifting all of what was once *our* manufacturing jobs overseas isn't great long-term policy either. The saying "wheels within wheels" applies here.

Once Canada becomes our 51st state, I believe this should be their official state song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9h2H5Sgzfw

Originally posted by PLAYMAKERS
oh. please walk us through how USA receiving money is bad

This entire thing is brutal for both nations. We are going to have a ton of small business go tits up and a worry for sure is many companies will pull out of Canada entirely.

It is bad because if it cannot be afforded, it forces Canada to look for new allies elsewhere just to make ends meet. We must march hand in hand with our American family. This is a potentially very dark day for all of us if this isn't a bluff or a misdirect.

Leave the petty, idiotic fighting to the Middle East where it belongs and lets get back on the same page earlier than later.

What a dumpster fire!

Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader
Patience. I don't think the plan is for these to be "forever" tariffs. They're designed to send a message.

I don't think anyone who understands economics believes tariffs to be great long-term policy. But shifting all of what was once *our* manufacturing jobs overseas isn't great long-term policy either. The saying "wheels within wheels" applies here.

Once Canada becomes our 51st state, I believe this should be their official state song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9h2H5Sgzfw

I am not sure Americans really grasp the Pride and passion that comes with being a Canadian. Perhaps a merge with the USA happens but it has to become the United States of Canada.

Originally posted by Altech
+1

Elon Musk bought our current president. Not a lot we can do. Just buckle up, get a helmet, and try to survive the crazy.



America just better hope this is only a four year ride and not a potentially much longer, more dark and disturbing ride. But yes, back to dotball

Originally posted by SmithsterSmitty
I am not sure Americans really grasp the Pride and passion that comes with being a Canadian. Perhaps a merge with the USA happens but it has to become the United States of Canada.

I'd take it, TBH.

Originally posted by xylo
As a European ,just a few questions :

1. Isnt it free choice where businesses source goods/raw materials from in order to be most profitible ?
2. Won't Tariffs just be another form of Federal Sales Tax, passed on to consumer ?
3. Wasn't NAFTA meant to level the playing field & stop Govt intervention in operation Free Market ?
4. Don't states subsidies/ intervention support inefficient business practises ?
5. Are US Consumers expecting shortages & price rises in some goods ?

Thanks

1) Yes. That's why tariffs are dumb. The price of raw materials will increase, but it will still pale in comparison to the cost of rebuilding manufacturing in the States.
2) Yes. But we're an oligarchy now, and the rich people don't care.
3) Yes. But at the end of the day, what we had (even before all of this) only vaguely resembled a Free Market.
4) Absolutely. Many would argue that they condone it, actually.
5) Those of us who are reasonably well-educated, yes. The rest will find out eventually, I suppose. Though he's probably going to blame something or someone for the increase in prices, and a lot of people will take him at his word.

Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader
Patience. I don't think the plan is for these to be "forever" tariffs. They're designed to send a message.

I don't think anyone who understands economics believes tariffs to be great long-term policy. But shifting all of what was once *our* manufacturing jobs overseas isn't great long-term policy either. The saying "wheels within wheels" applies here.

Once Canada becomes our 51st state, I believe this should be their official state song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9h2H5Sgzfw

It doesn't really matter if the tariffs are temporary or not. Look at what happened to gas prices over the last decade. Every time we had something happen to increase the cost of fuel, it stayed higher in the aftermath. So yeah, the tariffs might be temporary, but the cost increase (based on everything I've seen of our economy) will stick around forever.

And as I said above, a 25% tariff isn't enough to make businesses move production back over here. There's both a huge upfront cost (buying land/facilities/etc) and a recurring increase (higher wages here vs most of the rest of the world) to make that jump, so companies are only going to do that if they need to. A 25% tariff that they can pass on to the consumer isn't enough to get that ball rolling.

Originally posted by Go Pack 120
I'm not sure what your goal was in posting this here, if I'm being completely honest. I agree with you that this whole thing is ridiculous, and the next four years will be an absolute Trumpster fire, but due to the system we use, my voice was never all that relevant. I voted against this, and spoke out against this, but here we are.

Obviously Canada doesn't deserve the tariffs and BS, but you're only going to have to deal with a fraction of what the rest of us are going to go through. The whole time, we get to watch half of our citizens swear by this guy, too.

[shrugs] I'm not intending to shit on your post at all, but this has been among the longest two weeks of any of our lives. We're all frustrated and struggling to figure out how we're going to survive the next four years.

So yeah. Send help.

Lol

I’m not struggling, nor am I worried how I’ll survive the next 4 years.

Originally posted by YOM77
Lol

I’m not struggling, nor am I worried how I’ll survive the next 4 years.

ALEXA, remind me of this comment in 3 years

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Originally posted by Go Pack 120
It doesn't really matter if the tariffs are temporary or not. Look at what happened to gas prices over the last decade. Every time we had something happen to increase the cost of fuel, it stayed higher in the aftermath. So yeah, the tariffs might be temporary, but the cost increase (based on everything I've seen of our economy) will stick around forever.

And as I said above, a 25% tariff isn't enough to make businesses move production back over here. There's both a huge upfront cost (buying land/facilities/etc) and a recurring increase (higher wages here vs most of the rest of the world) to make that jump, so companies are only going to do that if they need to. A 25% tariff that they can pass on to the consumer isn't enough to get that ball rolling.

Canada will cave. Watch it happen.

Cave to what, exactly? Because what he wants is Canada to become part of the US. That's very obviously not happening. He hasn't made any other demands of Canada that I'm aware of, so I'm not sure what there is to cave to. It's just unnecessary strife, which was been his goal and modus operandi from day 1.

EDIT: Typos