Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Monkey Boy
I lost more than 1 survivor contest last season because more CPU teams are beating human run/filled teams. I know in the past, I have seen leagues won by CPU teams.

Very true, but in almost every case, the human team has under-leveled dots, or terribly-built dots with a low effective level, or a big chunk of CPU dots on the roster, or does zero game-planning, or some combination of the above. Hell, if you know what to look for, you can often predict which terrible-roster human teams will lose to a CPU team and win a Survivor pick or two that way. I love doing that.

But in all my years playing this game, I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen a CPU team beat a human team that has 55 properly-leveled, properly-built human dots and solid AIs. That is exceedingly rare. When a CPU team beats a human team, there's almost always a reasonable explanation for it, and it usually comes down to the human team being terrible.

Could, say, an intentional collection of human dots on a CPU team win Regional Pro #3? In the right circumstances, sure! Celebrate your "Super Bowl" win just like Darncat does! But could that same CPU team win North America Pro, or even Regional Pro #1? Not a chance. For that, you'll need to find a good human team with a good human owner.

Originally posted by Novus
Very true, but in almost every case, the human team has under-leveled dots, or terribly-built dots with a low effective level, or a big chunk of CPU dots on the roster, or does zero game-planning, or some combination of the above. Hell, if you know what to look for, you can often predict which terrible-roster human teams will lose to a CPU team and win a Survivor pick or two that way. I love doing that.

But in all my years playing this game, I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen a CPU team beat a human team that has 55 properly-leveled, properly-built human dots and solid AIs. That is exceedingly rare. When a CPU team beats a human team, there's almost always a reasonable explanation for it, and it usually comes down to the human team being terrible.

Could, say, an intentional collection of human dots on a CPU team win Regional Pro #3? In the right circumstances, sure! Celebrate your "Super Bowl" win just like Darncat does! But could that same CPU team win North America Pro, or even Regional Pro #1? Not a chance. For that, you'll need to find a good human team with a good human owner.

depends on the team too. AIs stick around. so those old top tier teams still put up a good fight. i guess if you scout them youll be able to take them down though

Originally posted by Novus
(To be clear, I'm not aiming this next part at blitzboy in particular.)

I've never understood why people "raise" their dots on CPU teams all the way up to Plateau. Half the fun of this game is interacting with the other people on your team... why chop that off?

well, for me, i don't have a whole lot of flex to boost and buy CE. so (since super slow building went away, and NBNC leagues disappeared) i find myself just building a non-boosting dot and the most appropriate place for me is the CPU leagues, just for kicks. and there aren't a whole lotta human teams in general anymore.

but the bottom line is that, right now, dots can't even get onto a team because the 'contracts' page is not working. i retired my dot because i couldn't find a team under search or 'teams looking for players'.

Originally posted by ProfessionalKop
depends on the team too. AIs stick around. so those old top tier teams still put up a good fight.

That's true as well... except that CPU-owned teams generally just have 2 or 3 good human dots, 5 or 6 awful human dots, and the rest CPU dots. Bad dots + good AI = mostly bad results.

Now, if you find one of those great-AI CPU-owned teams and do TJ Spikes's plan, will that team do better than other CPU teams? Absolutely! Will that team have a chance in hell of winning a trophy in anything other than Regional Pro #3 or some other bottom-feeder league? Absolutely not. In an Elite #1 or Natty Pro league, that team would maybe -- maybe -- scrape into the #4 seed with like a 6-10 record and lose in the first round of the playoffs by 50. That's your absolute ceiling in a real league against real teams.

I'll take my chances with a human owner. I'm reasonably confident in my ability to avoid the bad owners and sign with the good ones.

Originally posted by blitzboy
well, for me, i don't have a whole lot of flex to boost and buy CE. so (since super slow building went away, and NBNC leagues disappeared) i find myself just building a non-boosting dot and the most appropriate place for me is the CPU leagues, just for kicks. and there aren't a whole lotta human teams in general anymore.

but the bottom line is that, right now, dots can't even get onto a team because the 'contracts' page is not working. i retired my dot because i couldn't find a team under search or 'teams looking for players'.

Sadly, Bort made the decision a while ago to not do much to cater to players who don't want to spend Flex, and everything I've written above is based on the assumption that we're talking about competitive, boosted dots.

But we do agree, if Bort's going to leave in the ability to play with unboosted dots, there should at least be full functionality to do so. I don't see the point of parking a boosting dot on a CPU-owned team, but that doesn't mean I think CPU-owned teams should go away. There's no practical way to do that anyway... you have to be able to fill out leagues with 12 teams one way or another. If you want to park your dot on a CPU team, you have the right to do so. And I have the right to think it's dumb.

Please Explain this game for me please. https://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/game.pl?game_id=3003354

Originally posted by Backes-to-Backes
Please Explain this game for me please. https://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/game.pl?game_id=3003354

Well... to start with it's called dotball. It was a creation of Bort and company at Warrior games LTD....

Originally posted by Backes-to-Backes
Please Explain this game for me please. https://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/game.pl?game_id=3003354
LOL, crazy

Originally posted by Backes-to-Backes
Please Explain this game for me please. https://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/game.pl?game_id=3003354

Okay... *cracks knuckles*...

Cleveland beat KC 23-20. Both teams are human-owned, but Cleveland has 27 human dots to KC's 55, so at first glance you'd think KC would win easily.

However, look at the dots themselves... every one of Cleveland's human dots is Level 79 with an average effective level of 83, while most of KC's dots are between Level 69 and 72. In addition, Cleveland has human dots at all the skill positions on offense, and mostly human starters on defense with CPUs as backups... not ideal, but they're doing the best they can with what they have. In addition, their CPU dots scale up to the average level of the league, which would make their CPU dots outlevel KC's humans. However, having such a large number of CPU dots on a human team would mean the CPU dots would play with a penalty, so that would even things out a bit.

In that situation, if I were KC's owner, I would look at the level difference and the moderate number of human dots and take Cleveland seriously, just in case. That's not a gimme win. However, I'm guessing KC's owner just looked at the 28 CPU dots and stopped looking. That would explain why their offense was 32 outside runs, 25 passing plays, and just 12 inside runs, with many of those being QB sneaks. That is a straight-up terrible offensive game plan.

Under-leveled dots, a bad offensive game plan, a half-CPU opponent that uses their human dots with maximum effectiveness, and some bad luck... and that's how KC lost by 3.

THANX for your time. I noticed the wanky playcalling by KC but I used a wide open OAI in our 1st game against a good tem.

My ? is will there be a repeat - https://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/compare_teams.pl?team1=1709&team2=129 IDTS!!

Originally posted by Novus
True. But also no chance of winning meaningful games against human-owned teams.

This is the heart of the issue... The paradigm I'm talking about shifting.

Does it matter who happens to own the team? Is it a special line of text on the .gif trophy?

No.

If the only league that existed was d-league, then all of the Ai advantages and disadvantages would go away. There would be no need for Casual splitting the player base. For every team of 55 dots, there's only a couple of coordinators and owners doing everything--That's a horrible ratio, and they can destroy a dot's career along with an agent's desire to play. Exploit plays called 30 times a game would not be a thing. lol trophy whores wouldn't be a thing. The more you think about it, the more you realize the gigantic can of worms that team ownership creates. Pandora's box isn't the half of it.

In a world.... where D-league, Casual, and Full leagues were united in the D-league format... the only thing that would matter is building the best dots possible. Every season would be new and different, instead of a foregone conclusion.

Originally posted by Backes-to-Backes
THANX for your time. I noticed the wanky playcalling by KC but I used a wide open OAI in our 1st game against a good tem.

My ? is will there be a repeat - https://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/compare_teams.pl?team1=1709&team2=129 IDTS!!

Good luck!

Originally posted by TJ Spikes
This is the heart of the issue... The paradigm I'm talking about shifting.

Does it matter who happens to own the team? Is it a special line of text on the .gif trophy?

No.

If the only league that existed was d-league, then all of the Ai advantages and disadvantages would go away. There would be no need for Casual splitting the player base. For every team of 55 dots, there's only a couple of coordinators and owners doing everything--That's a horrible ratio, and they can destroy a dot's career along with an agent's desire to play. Exploit plays called 30 times a game would not be a thing. lol trophy whores wouldn't be a thing. The more you think about it, the more you realize the gigantic can of worms that team ownership creates. Pandora's box isn't the half of it.

In a world.... where D-league, Casual, and Full leagues were united in the D-league format... the only thing that would matter is building the best dots possible. Every season would be new and different, instead of a foregone conclusion.



I wouldn't play this game.

Socialized dots - everyone is the same wooooooo hoooooooooooo.........NOT!