Warrior General Games

Originally posted by sunder B

I don't think that it should be a top priority, but I also think it is short sighted of Warrior to have essentially abandoned the game that started it all that still has many loyal paying customers. Having GLB1 being acknowledged as even being anywhere on his priority list would be better than responses like this :

Originally posted by euchrid

GLB1..., I'm guessing he's gonna be too busy for that for a while...


I'm sorry if I was unclear there. The full line was "If it's a question of checking in to field questions and advice about the GLB1 stuff he 'should' be working on, I'm guessing he's gonna be too busy for that for a while."
People post all the time about what they think Bort should be doing. My point was if people want Bort to come hang out in the forums so they can yell at him directly about all the things he's doing wrong (instead of telling each other what he's doing wrong, as happens most of the time in the forums), I don't really think that's something that he'd be interested in.

Of course GLB1 is a priority, and I wouldn't say we've abandoned it entirely. (I mean, if we have I'd kinda like to know, that would free up a lot of my time. )
But it's true, GLB1 is not what the development team is spending their time on at the moment. We're maintaining GLB1 and we're developing other games.

In a way it feels "off". I look at all the spots that I would love to just start buying teams. I am pas that stage that building dots is my big draw. However, providing a home to a bunch of new folks is what I would enjoy.

That being said, I hope we get a flood of thousands of new faces joining GLB1.

Originally posted by euchrid
He is busy though.

DID U KNOT REED WAT I POASTD N MAH OP???!??!???

Could just point to a youtube promotional video or something. We don't need acknowledgement of our ideas so much as acknowledgement of the direction of GLB.

The no captain at the wheel bit I think is what scares folks.

Yeah, I didn't suggest he comes back and changes the sim around and add new features. I suggested he drop in and maybe discuss some current goings on and future plans with WG. Would go a long way to build consumer confidence back up to some degree.

Originally posted by euchrid
We're maintaining GLB1

Not looking to get into a pissing match, but I am curious as to how Warrior General would define "maintaining"?

Originally posted by Dub J
Yeah, I didn't suggest he comes back and changes the sim around and add new features. I suggested he drop in and maybe discuss some current goings on and future plans with WG. Would go a long way to build consumer confidence back up to some degree.


As far as future plans... you'll see some teases for what we have coming up soon. It's always tricky finding the right time to share that stuff, though - on one hand we're looking forward to people getting to see it, but you don't want to do previews too early so that people forget or lose interest by the time the thing's actually ready... I can bring it up, but MY GUESS is that a Bort appearance over here would be more likely once we're closer to when we have something concrete to share with you guys. ...which shoooooould be pretty soon.

Originally posted by sunder B
Not looking to get into a pissing match, but I am curious as to how Warrior General would define "maintaining"?

Not sure about Warrior General's official definition, I'm just posting my own views. Personally, I would describe what we're doing now as maintenance: leagues get organized each season, the sim's stable, games run, when a server or something screws up it gets fixed, we're still handling basic Support stuff. Things seem (TO ME) to be at a point now where GLB can be maintained while other projects are being more actively developed. Is that the way it's going to be forever? I don't know. That could change, but it's where I'd say we are at the moment.

What if he just posts "hi" from his account?

Hell, you or another admin could even log on with his password and do it for him and we'll pretend like it's really him.

Ha! If that was something I could do, I probably would have tried it by now.

I WANT TO BELIEVE

Originally posted by euchrid
Well... the prevailing attitude in the GLB forums seems to be that the first game should always take top priority and that Bort should scrap whatever else he's working on because GLB good, GLB2 (and fire) bad. But since we do have other projects and he's not about to drop them to come back and do more tweaks to GLB (at least not in the immediate future)... I don't know how productive that conversation would be.
Still, if you guys have a specific question, I can try to pass it along to The Man (or, heck, maybe I can even answer it).

So let me get this straight. The dude is WAY too busy to take literally 5 or 10 minutes a week to post in the forums....... of his own game....... that he makes money from.......

I'm simply not buying that.

Also, we are to believe that he is working on GLB2 (the turd) or "other projects". Pretty sure that the user base for GLB1 is still bigger, but they certainly are more dedicated at this point. Why is it that all of you paid apologists always say "He's too busy" and expect the rest of us to believe that.

I own 2 businesses. I work 60+ hours a week, and most of the hours I'm not actually physically at work, I'm thinking about work, planning for/about work, fielding phone calls/texts about employees and their laundry list of bullshit, etc. Yet, I manage to log in here daily, game plan, train players, troll the forums. I can 100% guarantee you that Bert is not as busy as I am....... or as most of the user base is here in fact. It is probably why so many people are passionate about it, and constantly ask where the "working man" is. This is our pass-time, a game for fun that we all enjoy to one degree or another. A few minutes of the guy's time is really NOT too much to ask, even though you'll probably try to apologize your way around this fact as well......

Lets just dismiss this "he's too busy" notion for what it is....... 100% bullshit. At least be honest and either say

1) he is entirely too lazy

2) he lost his password, and is way too inept to even figure a work around to get into his own site, and is embarrassed to say so

I am still waiting on actual proof that he is still alive. That is all I am looking for.

Originally posted by We_Rule
So let me get this straight. The dude is WAY too busy to take literally 5 or 10 minutes a week to post in the forums....... of his own game....... that he makes money from.......

I'm simply not buying that.

Also, we are to believe that he is working on GLB2 (the turd) or "other projects". Pretty sure that the user base for GLB1 is still bigger, but they certainly are more dedicated at this point. Why is it that all of you paid apologists always say "He's too busy" and expect the rest of us to believe that.

I own 2 businesses. I work 60+ hours a week, and most of the hours I'm not actually physically at work, I'm thinking about work, planning for/about work, fielding phone calls/texts about employees and their laundry list of bullshit, etc. Yet, I manage to log in here daily, game plan, train players, troll the forums. I can 100% guarantee you that Bert is not as busy as I am....... or as most of the user base is here in fact. It is probably why so many people are passionate about it, and constantly ask where the "working man" is. This is our pass-time, a game for fun that we all enjoy to one degree or another. A few minutes of the guy's time is really NOT too much to ask, even though you'll probably try to apologize your way around this fact as well......

Lets just dismiss this "he's too busy" notion for what it is....... 100% bullshit. At least be honest and either say

1) he is entirely too lazy
2) he lost his password, and is way too inept to even figure a work around to get into his own site, and is embarrassed to say so

LOL, yes, why wouldn't Bort want to check in so you can let him know directly how lazy and incompetent you think he is?

As I posted earlier, if people want Bort to come hang out in the forums so they can yell at him directly about all the things he's doing wrong, I don't really think that's something that he'd be interested in. And, you know, given the tone in the forums these days, that's exactly what I would expect to see.

Obviously personal attention from the guys at the top of any business is nice, but at this point there aren't many updates about GLB1 to discuss. If you're clearly not into GLB2 and it's too early to talk about other projects, what exactly is it you need to talk to Bort about? I want to understand how we can help you guys here, but a recurring theme in complaints about Bort's absence seems to come down to some version of "Bort should be my friend in the forums." And while I get the appeal, I don't know if that's an entirely reasonable thing to expect from an online game developer. I mean, is it? Correct me if I'm wrong here.

Originally posted by We_Rule
So let me get this straight. The dude is WAY too busy to take literally 5 or 10 minutes a week to post in the forums....... of his own game....... that he makes money from.......

I'm simply not buying that.

Also, we are to believe that he is working on GLB2 (the turd) or "other projects". Pretty sure that the user base for GLB1 is still bigger, but they certainly are more dedicated at this point. Why is it that all of you paid apologists always say "He's too busy" and expect the rest of us to believe that.

I own 2 businesses. I work 60+ hours a week, and most of the hours I'm not actually physically at work, I'm thinking about work, planning for/about work, fielding phone calls/texts about employees and their laundry list of bullshit, etc. Yet, I manage to log in here daily, game plan, train players, troll the forums. I can 100% guarantee you that Bert is not as busy as I am....... or as most of the user base is here in fact. It is probably why so many people are passionate about it, and constantly ask where the "working man" is. This is our pass-time, a game for fun that we all enjoy to one degree or another. A few minutes of the guy's time is really NOT too much to ask, even though you'll probably try to apologize your way around this fact as well......

Lets just dismiss this "he's too busy" notion for what it is....... 100% bullshit. At least be honest and either say

1) he is entirely too lazy

2) he lost his password, and is way too inept to even figure a work around to get into his own site, and is embarrassed to say so

How many games do you know where the developer takes the time to come post in their forums even 5 minutes a week just to stroke your epeen?

Originally posted by bhall43
How many games do you know where the developer takes the time to come post in their forums even 5 minutes a week just to stroke your epeen?

Originally posted by euchrid
LOL, yes, why wouldn't Bort want to check in so you can let him know directly how lazy and incompetent you think he is?

As I posted earlier, if people want Bort to come hang out in the forums so they can yell at him directly about all the things he's doing wrong, I don't really think that's something that he'd be interested in. And, you know, given the tone in the forums these days, that's exactly what I would expect to see.

Obviously personal attention from the guys at the top of any business is nice, but at this point there aren't many updates about GLB1 to discuss. If you're clearly not into GLB2 and it's too early to talk about other projects, what exactly is it you need to talk to Bort about? I want to understand how we can help you guys here, but a recurring theme in complaints about Bort's absence seems to come down to some version of "Bort should be my friend in the forums." And while I get the appeal, I don't know if that's an entirely reasonable thing to expect from an online game developer. I mean, is it? Correct me if I'm wrong here.


Both of you koolade drinkers make me laugh. You two, and Bort evidently, have no clue how to run a business.......

Did he used to do these things? Like, used to try to touch base with the users? So when he is absent, people might wonder why? And then when they ask why, and he cannot be bothered to take the 2 minutes it might take to just say "hi, I'm alive" or even "fuck you guys, just stop logging in so I can kill this pig"......... and he still doesn't chime in, that they might think that the sky is falling? Or are you that clueless.

You see, usually when you own a business and you provide something that is perceived as "included" (ie, a free cup of coffee, or some Q&A time on your game web site), and then you take that freeby away, your customers all feel like they are now getting a little bit less for their money. Most times, it really isn't anything big, just a gesture that shows you care about those people who are in fact providing you your livelihood. It has nothing to do with stroking anyone's epeen (the only peeps here that seem interested in that are you try-hards TBH). It has to do with caring about your business, and those who you have sold to (and hope to sell to AGAIN if I have to spell it out to you dolts).

I have a question for you Euchrid....... do you really think that he is avoiding the forums so people like me won't bash his business sense, or do you think he is being bashed for his lack of effort and being out of touch? Seems the answer to that is pretty rhetorical, right? People used to call him this great "coder", yet the problems that he couldn't manage to fix had fixes provided pretty much free of charge by the paying users. The testers, and bugs team were not paid, and put in tons of hours of work. Was it more than Bert himself put in? Did we as users always care more? I can't answer that with anything more than opinion and impression, you might be able to though. The lack of options and site goodies that someone who was this "great coder" might have provided on the front end were again added via GM scripts written by users, not the devs. Also, not paid....... Bort & Co. certainly reaped the benefits though.

INterestingly enough, the only guy that I know of that was actually "on the payroll" was Catch22. And that dude, for right or wrong, got shit done. He held Bort's feet to the fire on certain issues to get them fixed. He added to the game. I know some don't like him or the way he outed everyone on the way out the door, but it seemed for a good long time that he was actually "working" on things........ imagine if everyone in the building were doing the same. We could have the game that we all wanted....... and all paid for.

Now if this was a $19.99 retail game and was lacking or unsupported, well then it is what it is....... no big loss. But when people have put in hundreds of dollars a year, they expect things, no? Or maybe they shouldn't expect things......