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Originally posted by Novus
I've spent the past 5 years laughing at the "the game is dying" crowd, because the game clearly wasn't dying. The numbers of new dots being created each season clearly showed that the game was going to be self-sustaining for a while longer, but the "the game is dying" crowd willfully ignored the available data because it conflicted with what they believed to be true, and they chose their own beliefs over the truth.
However, just because the people who have been declaring the imminent death of the game in the past were all morons does not mean that the people today who are declaring the imminent death of the game must also be morons.
We have reached the point where the number of new dots being created every season is no longer self-sustaining. The number of high-quality dots reaching the top levels of the game is about to start dwindling to the point where it will threaten the enjoyability of those top levels, and soon after that the total number of dots reaching the top levels of the game will start dwindling to the point where it will threaten the ability to play the game at those top levels at all. I've detailed the numbers in another thread, and I have a feeling that my post is one of the ones you're responding to.
The available data has changed. And so has my conclusion about the future of the game.
I want to believe that GLB1 will stay healthy and vibrant for the next 20 years, and I suppose I could make myself a lot happier in the short-term by willfully ignoring the data that conflicts with what I want to believe. But if I do that, I'll end up spending more money on this game and encouraging others to do so, only to find out very soon that we're not going to get the same value out of today's Flex purchases that we got from the Flex purchases we made 4 or 5 years ago.
I'd rather be the Doomsday Prophet than the Pied Piper. If the Doomsday Prophet turns out to be wrong, at least he can comfort himself with the fact that he was honestly trying to help those around him and was simply mistaken. The Pied Piper willfully misleads people to their detriment and his own benefit, and I refuse to do that. So, Doomsday Prophet it is.
The fallacy of the self fulfilling prophecy
I've spent the past 5 years laughing at the "the game is dying" crowd, because the game clearly wasn't dying. The numbers of new dots being created each season clearly showed that the game was going to be self-sustaining for a while longer, but the "the game is dying" crowd willfully ignored the available data because it conflicted with what they believed to be true, and they chose their own beliefs over the truth.
However, just because the people who have been declaring the imminent death of the game in the past were all morons does not mean that the people today who are declaring the imminent death of the game must also be morons.
We have reached the point where the number of new dots being created every season is no longer self-sustaining. The number of high-quality dots reaching the top levels of the game is about to start dwindling to the point where it will threaten the enjoyability of those top levels, and soon after that the total number of dots reaching the top levels of the game will start dwindling to the point where it will threaten the ability to play the game at those top levels at all. I've detailed the numbers in another thread, and I have a feeling that my post is one of the ones you're responding to.
The available data has changed. And so has my conclusion about the future of the game.
I want to believe that GLB1 will stay healthy and vibrant for the next 20 years, and I suppose I could make myself a lot happier in the short-term by willfully ignoring the data that conflicts with what I want to believe. But if I do that, I'll end up spending more money on this game and encouraging others to do so, only to find out very soon that we're not going to get the same value out of today's Flex purchases that we got from the Flex purchases we made 4 or 5 years ago.
I'd rather be the Doomsday Prophet than the Pied Piper. If the Doomsday Prophet turns out to be wrong, at least he can comfort himself with the fact that he was honestly trying to help those around him and was simply mistaken. The Pied Piper willfully misleads people to their detriment and his own benefit, and I refuse to do that. So, Doomsday Prophet it is.
The fallacy of the self fulfilling prophecy
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Yeah ... uhm ... the game is effectively dead right now, so those people in the past were correct. Forum activity is at a trickle, the number of top level dots is already at an all-time low, the number of top coordinators is at an all-time low, etc. This is what we meant by "dead," not the site actually being closed.
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Originally posted by jdbolick
Yeah ... uhm ... the game is effectively dead right now, so those people in the past were correct. Forum activity is at a trickle, the number of top level dots is already at an all-time low, the number of top coordinators is at an all-time low, etc. This is what we meant by "dead," not the site actually being closed.
Of course, we all explained that from the beginning, but they chose to call us morons. Mind you, they had no proof of my idiocy. Calling someone a moron is simpler to do than to come at them with legitimate points.
Yeah ... uhm ... the game is effectively dead right now, so those people in the past were correct. Forum activity is at a trickle, the number of top level dots is already at an all-time low, the number of top coordinators is at an all-time low, etc. This is what we meant by "dead," not the site actually being closed.
Of course, we all explained that from the beginning, but they chose to call us morons. Mind you, they had no proof of my idiocy. Calling someone a moron is simpler to do than to come at them with legitimate points.
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Originally posted by jdbolick
Yeah ... uhm ... the game is effectively dead right now, so those people in the past were correct. Forum activity is at a trickle, the number of top level dots is already at an all-time low, the number of top coordinators is at an all-time low, etc. This is what we meant by "dead," not the site actually being closed.
Yup
Yeah ... uhm ... the game is effectively dead right now, so those people in the past were correct. Forum activity is at a trickle, the number of top level dots is already at an all-time low, the number of top coordinators is at an all-time low, etc. This is what we meant by "dead," not the site actually being closed.
Yup
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Originally posted by jtrav21
Lets be honest, the forums were never really worth a shit
no u
Lets be honest, the forums were never really worth a shit
no u
the game just takes too long to be fun, and nobody wants to invest the time and guess whether or not itll be worth it.
I wish they would just stealth nerf and stealth buff things just to change it up.
I wish they would just stealth nerf and stealth buff things just to change it up.
Originally posted by gbororats
the game just takes too long to be fun, and nobody wants to invest the time and guess whether or not itll be worth it.
I wish they would just stealth nerf and stealth buff things just to change it up.
Don't agree with the first part but do the second, although I agreed with Jd's idea of insta 79s at this point in the game. Im not saying the game is perfect, or that the folks who run the game(s) shouldn't get off their duffs and continue to improve the product with any number of the good suggestions, or simply make more of a presence to show they give a shit. That plus the need for real marketing to filter in more folks are obvious even if the hope for such is in vain. My point is 98% of the whine threads do nothing but make people look like bitches.
the game just takes too long to be fun, and nobody wants to invest the time and guess whether or not itll be worth it.
I wish they would just stealth nerf and stealth buff things just to change it up.
Don't agree with the first part but do the second, although I agreed with Jd's idea of insta 79s at this point in the game. Im not saying the game is perfect, or that the folks who run the game(s) shouldn't get off their duffs and continue to improve the product with any number of the good suggestions, or simply make more of a presence to show they give a shit. That plus the need for real marketing to filter in more folks are obvious even if the hope for such is in vain. My point is 98% of the whine threads do nothing but make people look like bitches.
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There's nothing seriously wrong with the game itself. The build process is awesome and the sim is pretty good overall. People left because that's what they do after years of playing something, plus all the fun being sucked out of the forums. Mismanagement definitely kept the game from living up to its potential and alienated some customers, but GLB1 is still a pretty remarkable success for one programmer's first attempt at his own game.
Originally posted by jdbolick
There's nothing seriously wrong with the game itself. The build process is awesome and the sim is pretty good overall. People left because that's what they do after years of playing something, plus all the fun being sucked out of the forums. Mismanagement definitely kept the game from living up to its potential and alienated some customers, but GLB1 is still a pretty remarkable success for one programmer's first attempt at his own game.
I agree with all of this, and to me its not even about people leaving but the lack of influx of new users. That being said its not as nightmarish as people make it out be, there are plenty of folks still enjoying it enough to keep it going imo.
There's nothing seriously wrong with the game itself. The build process is awesome and the sim is pretty good overall. People left because that's what they do after years of playing something, plus all the fun being sucked out of the forums. Mismanagement definitely kept the game from living up to its potential and alienated some customers, but GLB1 is still a pretty remarkable success for one programmer's first attempt at his own game.
I agree with all of this, and to me its not even about people leaving but the lack of influx of new users. That being said its not as nightmarish as people make it out be, there are plenty of folks still enjoying it enough to keep it going imo.
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I'm trying to think where I even saw this game marketed when I first started playing. I know I had played a couple of baseball sims on line, so I'm thinking I must have googled "sports sim game" or something. Beats me. But at this stage, GLB can't rely on thousands of folks just finding this game. The game has to find them.
Originally posted by jtrav21
Lets be honest, the forums were never really worth a shit
lolwut. the forums were awesome back in the day. i miss the old suggestions forum.
Lets be honest, the forums were never really worth a shit
lolwut. the forums were awesome back in the day. i miss the old suggestions forum.
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