Warrior General Games

Originally posted by codine22





But its all relative anyway, you play in a tougher league against tougher opponents but have a better team around you and are a higher level, I think your just bitter because your all vision build is failing.

Demonicangel, thanks for this thread pretty interesting theories you have, even though my QB is doing pretty well this season I definatley could go with some more strength as its just 40 at the moment and my recievers are hitting the 55-60 mark speed wise right now.



Thanx

OH SNAP

how bout we show both of your builds so we can compare.

i think thats the best way

Originally posted by kevindurant35
OH SNAP

how bout we show both of your builds so we can compare.

i think thats the best way

Mine is on the first page.

on a serious note:
my QB needs more str so i can suit my main WR

Originally posted by kevindurant35
on a serious note:
my QB needs more str so i can suit my main WR

His qb can see a day into the future, its just a shame he throws like a girl, and he should of thrown it yesterday, for it to get to his target tomorrow.

Couple things about the links you posted.

I'm not trying to say that strength is useless. It helps your QB to make plays, but I have to pick.

On the Post route, pause the play as soon as it comes up. Hit FFWD 16 times. At this point, a QB with less STR and more VIS would've thrown(lobbed) the ball straight down the middle of the field. Nobody would get even close to deflecting it, it would hit the receiver in stride, and it results in the exact same TD.

Also, on the 3rd one, your TE was WIDE OPEN. Your QB made a risky throw to a covered WR when his TE was running free over the middle of the field, 10 yards in front of him. He was open enough that he would've gotten the first down and more. I give your QB credit for the touchdown, but that throw was RISKY.

I'm not trying to discredit your advice. I'm trying to get you to justify it. It still doesn't make any sense to me that QB Strength needs to be around 75% of his WRs' speed unless you're in a vertical offense with 50+% deep passes.

Please...don't attack me, explain your logic. I'd like to understand, because like you said, your QB produces.

Originally posted by Kayoh
Couple things about the links you posted.

I'm not trying to say that strength is useless. It helps your QB to make plays, but I have to pick.

On the Post route, pause the play as soon as it comes up. Hit FFWD 16 times. At this point, a QB with less STR and more VIS would've thrown(lobbed) the ball straight down the middle of the field. Nobody would get even close to deflecting it, it would hit the receiver in stride, and it results in the exact same TD.

Also, on the 3rd one, your TE was WIDE OPEN. Your QB made a risky throw to a covered WR when his TE was running free over the middle of the field, 10 yards in front of him. He was open enough that he would've gotten the first down and more. I give your QB credit for the touchdown, but that throw was RISKY.

I'm not trying to discredit your advice. I'm trying to get you to justify it. It still doesn't make any sense to me that QB Strength needs to be around 75% of his WRs' speed unless you're in a vertical offense with 50+% deep passes.

Please...don't attack me, explain your logic. I'd like to understand, because like you said, your QB produces.

Your right sorry about the attack, im just so used to going on the defensive when I try to give helpful advice. The 75% I got is what I have found that works, after about 10 games of playing with my equipment and numbers. We dont set alot of deep passes in our game plan. The sim is always having one guy go deep on alot of plays. Why not take advantage of that. My Qb has just enough vision to read the open guy. Go for it. As for the play that was risky, you got to remember this is a numbers game, not real football. In real football that would be a idiot move, but in a sim the numbers are calculated instantly, and based off of my attributes my Qb could complete the pass. The Cpu doesn't deal with risks, it deals with numbers its dealt.

Like you and I both agree my Qb has been productive, and he could easily lead the league in all passing categories, but we run a balanced offense, so Im just giving insight into my player, to hope that it can help at least one player create a qb that is good. I'm not like the guys with the Defensive Ends saying, look at me I got the magic build and I wont tell you what it is. I have no problems showing my build to anyone. If you can use it, then use it. If it isnt up to your stature, then dont, I wont take offense. I just find it a bit discrediting, when someone jumps on here, and basically says "Hey douche, your full of shit" That is how I took your posts. If I was wrong, then I was wrong.

Also to boot, remember with this being a game, this has nothing to do with real football. In a game where a Defensive End has to have more agility than a runningback, logic wont make sense. Trial and Error is what works.

A little bit more.

About 5-6 games ago, I found this magic number. Take a look at my game by game stats.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player_game_log.pl?player_id=230175
We had a cheese dick schedule in the begining. Now that I have gotten my numbers, and keeping up with them, these last 5-6 games or so, where my qb threw more than 40 passes. Hes on the money, and I havent touched my throwing. Granted in my equation I have confidence at a bit lower than what I probabbly should, but until it shows its big ugly head, I wont deal with it until then.

I think the other thing to consider with Strength is that you can get the ball to the receiver before the Corner or Safety has time to make a move on the ball and deflect it. I have wished in some of my games the ball would get there just a little faster so the corner wouldn't have been able to come up and deflect the pass. Just something to think about.

By the way, demonicangel, I remade my QB and I'm going to try a different strategy with boosting. He played his first game today, and check out his numbers.

The difference between 2/10 and 0 TDs and 6/8 and 1 TD(0 INTs) is huge. Before, I had 51 Vision and between 10 and 15 Throwing and Strength. This time, I have 16 STR, 19 THRW, and 23 VIS.

I'll keep you updated with the next few games. I'm excited, because a level 1 doing that well against level 5-12 defenders is impressive. The TD pass was to a Lv 10 TE who was covered by a Lv 12 SS.

so what are you going with? Just a all around build, where all three are about the same? Or two are the same? I see your not going towards the 51 vision again.

Yeah, I'm keeping Vision and Throwing at the same natural number(19) with all of my Equipment going into Vision, and Strength about 4/5 of both of them.

I have my first 8 levels mapped out.

Level----Throwing----Vision----Strength
1----------19-------------19---------16
2----------21.4-----------21.4------17.4
3----------23.8-----------23.8------18.8
4----------26.2-----------26.2------20.2
5----------28.6-----------28.6------21.6
6----------30-------------30---------25
7----------32.4-----------32.4------26.4
8----------34.8-----------34.8------27.8

So, my Lv. 8 Stats(with all Equips) will be:

Throwing: 34.8
Vision: 48.8
Strength: 27.8

And the main reason I'm focusing on Vision more than Throwing is because I eventually want this to be a dual-threat QB.

Originally posted by Kayoh
Yeah, I'm keeping Vision and Throwing at the same natural number(19) with all of my Equipment going into Vision, and Strength about 4/5 of both of them.

I have my first 8 levels mapped out.

Level----Throwing----Vision----Strength
1----------19-------------19---------16
2----------21.4-----------21.4------17.4
3----------23.8-----------23.8------18.8
4----------26.2-----------26.2------20.2
5----------28.6-----------28.6------21.6
6----------30-------------30---------25
7----------32.4-----------32.4------26.4
8----------34.8-----------34.8------27.8

So, my Lv. 8 Stats(with all Equips) will be:

Throwing: 34.8
Vision: 48.8
Strength: 27.8

And the main reason I'm focusing on Vision more than Throwing is because I eventually want this to be a dual-threat QB.

In which you can make using your equipment upgrades as long as you find a owner cool enough that will give you a nice chunk of change to swap out your equipment.

What do you mean by swap out my equipment? I'm not swapping anything.

Originally posted by Kayoh
What do you mean by swap out my equipment? I'm not swapping anything.

What im saying is at level 8 16 24 ect... you get equip. upgrades. Right now as your building your qb you are making a pocket qb "for now" with intent to make dual threat. As you get ready to to transition from a pocket to dual, you can change your equipment to really give you the boost to a dual threat, and this way if/and/or when you need to go strickly passing, you can just reequip the Old equipment and go as a straight passer. Vice Versa for running.