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Originally posted by Team Nucleus
For a pocket passer you want Agility over Speed and Carry...Agility helps a Pocket Passer avoid would be tacklers.


I agree but does not answer my question

Originally posted by rileyx4

I agree but does not answer my question


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Originally posted by Donk3yMan
Originally posted by rileyx4

Pocket QB
1. whats a good # for end build "speed"......maybe 30 ? 40-55
2. whats a good # for end build "carry".......maybe no action ? Do not touch carrying with a 100 foot pole


What he said but imo opinion a Pocket Passer only needs about 30 in speed to drop back to pass at the higher levels.
Deep Passer on the other hand would need to soft cap speed since he's less likely to stay in the pocket to throw those bombs.

Originally posted by Team Nucleus
What he said but imo opinion a Pocket Passer only needs about 30 in speed to drop back to pass at the higher levels.
Deep Passer on the other hand would need to soft cap speed since he's less likely to stay in the pocket to throw those bombs.

That seems to be more theory talking than practicality. QBs are generally going to be making the same throws to the same receivers whether their arch is DP or PP. Strength does more than allow you to throw farther. My 87 strength caspro QB throws bombs like a boss all the time.

My experience is that drop back starts to become ideal once you hit 40, but that is not the only thing that speed affects. Movement in the pocket is also important.

Originally posted by Donk3yMan
That seems to be more theory talking than practicality. QBs are generally going to be making the same throws to the same receivers whether their arch is DP or PP. Strength does more than allow you to throw farther. My 87 strength caspro QB throws bombs like a boss all the time.

My experience is that drop back starts to become ideal once you hit 40, but that is not the only thing that speed affects. Movement in the pocket is also important.

For movement in the pocket having higher agility is beneficial over speed.
I agree about strength but a Deep Passer is still likely not to stay in the pocket as often as a Pocket Passer would.
Game film of a Deep Passer and a Pocket Passer confirms this theory.

Originally posted by Team Nucleus
For movement in the pocket having higher agility is beneficial over speed.
I agree about strength but a Deep Passer is still likely not to stay in the pocket as often as a Pocket Passer would.
Game film of a Deep Passer and a Pocket Passer confirms this theory.

That is unconfirmed and honestly makes no sense. However if you can prove it, I'd love to see.

Originally posted by AlexSD44
That is unconfirmed and honestly makes no sense. However if you can prove it, I'd love to see.

no offense but you'll have to watch the game film yourself...
Not about to waste an hour comparing and gathering info you should be doing..
My advise is take the advise or don't take the advise but don't say things don't make sense if your not bothering to do some research

Originally posted by Team Nucleus
I agree about strength but a Deep Passer is still likely not to stay in the pocket as often as a Pocket Passer would.
Game film of a Deep Passer and a Pocket Passer confirms this theory.

What? This post here is an instant classic

Originally posted by Sellars
What? This post here is an instant classic

What? What's so instant classic about it? Tell me ol hockey one

Originally posted by Team Nucleus
What? What's so instant classic about it? Tell me ol hockey one

I think he is referring to what you said not making sense. There is no reason that a deep passer's speed needs to be different than a pocket passer's assuming they would be under the same system.

A deep passer has strength as a major over confidence, and Turn the Shoulder as favored over Pump Fake. Everything else is the exact same.

Both QBs are going to require the same amount of time to let the route develop and wind up to throw the ball. Both QBs will be running the same plays and hitting the same receivers with protection from the same OL.

Considering arch types have zero influence on what a QB does in a pocket and his tactics alone having everything to do with it your assessment about DP's leaving the pocket more than PP's is just wrong altogether.

Originally posted by Donk3yMan
I think he is referring to what you said not making sense. There is no reason that a deep passer's speed needs to be different than a pocket passer's assuming they would be under the same system.

A deep passer has strength as a major over confidence, and Turn the Shoulder as favored over Pump Fake. Everything else is the exact same.

Both QBs are going to require the same amount of time to let the route develop and wind up to throw the ball. Both QBs will be running the same plays and hitting the same receivers with protection from the same OL.

Originally posted by Sellars
Considering arch types have zero influence on what a QB does in a pocket and his tactics alone having everything to do with it your assessment about DP's leaving the pocket more than PP's is just wrong altogether.

Right or wrong I'm just goin by what game tape shows...I noticed/notice Pocket Passers stay in the pocket longer than Deep Paassers...Whether it's intended that way or not IDK..Based on what I've seen It would make sense if the Deep Passer gets out of the pocket more often, that he require more speed.