Warrior General Games

Originally posted by AirMcMVP
Mods <> admins.

Bort and Corndog are looking forward. Instead of spending the majority of their time of GLB development they are working on upcoming games. Any time devoted to GLB takes away from those new games. That doesn't mean GLB can't be a focus in the future, it just isn't a focus right now.

As for mods, their focus is on the forums. All forums, including suggestions.

If you're asking if the admins (developers) are working on GLB, the answer is, for the most part, no.

Most of the developing process sure. But that isn't to say they have completely ignored GLB all together. Hell they just added 2 new formations this morning (not that I think that is going to be the nail in the coffin to the problem or even close, but it is a step toward bringing the problem to Bort's face)

As far as the OP goes, Romo is correct, we already do bring good suggestions into light. Making someone a suggestions area moderator isn't going to change the back of forth of this forum. They would still be speaking through Catch and Catch would still be speaking through Bort. It is all the exact same thing. Generally we will give reasons as to why the suggestion isn't going to happen as well.

Seems like it's adding even more unneeded bureaucracy in a desperate attempt to remove it.

Originally posted by Deathblade
Seems like it's adding even more unneeded bureaucracy in a desperate attempt to remove it.

Welcome to American Government.

Originally posted by 1hottie
There are things that need changing or tweeking still. Sometimes we feel like the
"red headed step children".

With at least two (maybe three) other projects going and GLB declining, GLB is the red headed step child.

Originally posted by bhall43
Most of the developing process sure. But that isn't to say they have completely ignored GLB all together. Hell they just added 2 new formations this morning (not that I think that is going to be the nail in the coffin to the problem or even close, but it is a step toward bringing the problem to Bort's face)

Agree completely. GLB isn't being completely ignored. More effort is going to the new projects which is to be expected.

Originally posted by AirMcMVP
With at least two (maybe three) other projects going and GLB declining, GLB is the red headed step child.

Whoa, whoa, whoa... it wasn't all that long ago that Catch22 made the (much-mocked) claim that GLB is growing right now.

Are you saying Catch22 was lying, or are you saying Catch22 was incorrect?

also realize that a lot of the good suggestions are brought up to the admins / catch / bort via a private forum... bort and catch don't post too much in suggestions anymore, but I promise you that we are shoving stuff under their noses to get a whiff of

also realize that large changes will most likely not happen in any sort of quick time frame. Because the game has lost it's beta tag, the powers that be are looking to have it be more of a small interface changes from season to season. Perhaps a big update an "expansion pack" so to speak could be released at a later date, but right now I wouldn't expect major changes

Originally posted by Chysil
also realize that a lot of the good suggestions are brought up to the admins / catch / bort via a private forum... bort and catch don't post too much in suggestions anymore, but I promise you that we are shoving stuff under their noses to get a whiff of

also realize that large changes will most likely not happen in any sort of quick time frame. Because the game has lost it's beta tag, the powers that be are looking to have it be more of a small interface changes from season to season. Perhaps a big update an "expansion pack" so to speak could be released at a later date, but right now I wouldn't expect major changes

Here is the issue. We are getting conflicting messages from the mods in this thread. Some are saying GLB is not being considered for any changes due to Admins concentrating on new projects. Others are saying changes are still being made. All the Mods should get on the same page and send 1 clear message. What exactly is going on with the future of GLB?

Also,

Many suggestions are minor and I can't believe would actually take a lot of time to fix. How long would it take to change the following simple things that it would seem the userbase wants:

- Make the default play intensity Hard instead of Normal
- Label playoff games "Playoff Game" on the games screen
- Leave "use rewards points" box unchecked by default

These are just a few examples and seem like very minor changes that I would think could be completed in about 5 minutes. Bort could take his laptop into the bathroom with him and make these changes while taking a dump if he is too busy the rest of the day.

Originally posted by Novus
Whoa, whoa, whoa... it wasn't all that long ago that Catch22 made the (much-mocked) claim that GLB is growing right now.

Are you saying Catch22 was lying, or are you saying Catch22 was incorrect?

He said the active userbase is growing. I don't think that has anything to do with the amount of time spent working on the product?

Originally posted by AirMcMVP
He said the active userbase is growing. I don't think that has anything to do with the amount of time spent working on the product?

You said... "With at least two (maybe three) other projects going and GLB declining..."

You didn't say the amount of time spent on GLB is declining. You said GLB itself is declining.

Care to revise your comments?

Originally posted by daryls61
Here is the issue. We are getting conflicting messages from the mods in this thread. Some are saying GLB is not being considered for any changes due to Admins concentrating on new projects.

No. Here is the issue. You aren't reading what is being put in front of you. Not one mod here said that GLB is not considering any changes.

The 1 clear message that we keep reiterating to you and everyone else is that there are at least 2 games coming down the pipeline (most likely this year). The down time in which you all feel Bort and/or Corndog should be spent implementing minor suggestions that really won't change the state of the game in any significant way is actually being spent on creating far more enjoyment from the business overall. This all isn't to say GLB is done being worked on. This isn't even to say they aren't still currently looking at the issues of GLB. The only real issues in GLB as of right now are the difficulty level and 2 formations that are very hard to stop.

Side note: Not that I know this for sure or anything, but I could imagine that a lot of the "minor suggestions" are probably not being ignored all together. It is more likely that when the new games hit they plan to revise the look of GLB as a whole with many of those suggestions imported within that.

Originally posted by bhall43
No. Here is the issue. You aren't reading what is being put in front of you. Not one mod here said that GLB is not considering any changes.

The 1 clear message that we keep reiterating to you and everyone else is that there are at least 2 games coming down the pipeline (most likely this year). The down time in which you all feel Bort and/or Corndog should be spent implementing minor suggestions that really won't change the state of the game in any significant way is actually being spent on creating far more enjoyment from the business overall. This all isn't to say GLB is done being worked on. This isn't even to say they aren't still currently looking at the issues of GLB. The only real issues in GLB as of right now are the difficulty level and 2 formations that are very hard to stop.

Side note: Not that I know this for sure or anything, but I could imagine that a lot of the "minor suggestions" are probably not being ignored all together. It is more likely that when the new games hit they plan to revise the look of GLB as a whole with many of those suggestions imported within that.

This is the issue you are missing. The point is that most are not looking for significant changes, they are looking for minor changes that have annoyed the userbase for a while now and seem to be ignored. Fix the small things that are easy.

Also,

Here is where one Mod, InRomoWeTrust, stated that GLB is focused on other projects and not working on GLB anymore.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=5078754&page=1

Originally posted by InRomoWeTrust
The flaw that this proposed 'change' (and I say it like that because it doesn't change much from the way things are currently handled) doesn't address is that GLB isn't a huge corporation with a huge staff of coders. Even corndog doesn't touch much of the actual sim-related stuff. That's Bort's child. There is a huge opportunity cost at this juncture because the admins are pushing out entirely new content separate from GLB. Devoting time to GLB pushes projected launch dates back. That's why you're at your underlying viewpoint of GLB 'not listening' with this thread. That's simply not the case, though.

Anyways, when stuff is put up for vote (aka a moderator pushed a good suggestion in front of Catch/Bort and got approval), it's essentially in the 'not on the radar' category. It's more or less put up for user feedback. When you see Bort mark it as 'under consideration/in progress', that's your 'at the top of the list to be implemented'.

NGTH means exactly what it stands for. It's based on admin rulings. If something hasn't been ruled as NGTH in the past, it typically goes in front of Catch who makes that final determination. It's not meant to be some obscure slant that a moderator is making subjectively.

Also, up for vote = epic suggestions (they're on in the same) and Catch/corndog/Bort still skim the suggestions forum. As well as take direct feedback from testers (who are all regular users of the game).

Originally posted by daryls61
Originally posted by bhall43

No. Here is the issue. You aren't reading what is being put in front of you. Not one mod here said that GLB is not considering any changes.

The 1 clear message that we keep reiterating to you and everyone else is that there are at least 2 games coming down the pipeline (most likely this year). The down time in which you all feel Bort and/or Corndog should be spent implementing minor suggestions that really won't change the state of the game in any significant way is actually being spent on creating far more enjoyment from the business overall. This all isn't to say GLB is done being worked on. This isn't even to say they aren't still currently looking at the issues of GLB. The only real issues in GLB as of right now are the difficulty level and 2 formations that are very hard to stop.

Side note: Not that I know this for sure or anything, but I could imagine that a lot of the "minor suggestions" are probably not being ignored all together. It is more likely that when the new games hit they plan to revise the look of GLB as a whole with many of those suggestions imported within that.

This is the issue you are missing. The point is that most are not looking for significant changes, they are looking for minor changes that have annoyed the userbase for a while now and seem to be ignored. Fix the small things that are easy.

Also,

Here is where one Mod, InRomoWeTrust, stated that GLB is focused on other projects and not working on GLB anymore.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=5078754&page=1

Originally posted by InRomoWeTrust

The flaw that this proposed 'change' (and I say it like that because it doesn't change much from the way things are currently handled) doesn't address is that GLB isn't a huge corporation with a huge staff of coders. Even corndog doesn't touch much of the actual sim-related stuff. That's Bort's child. There is a huge opportunity cost at this juncture because the admins are pushing out entirely new content separate from GLB. Devoting time to GLB pushes projected launch dates back. That's why you're at your underlying viewpoint of GLB 'not listening' with this thread. That's simply not the case, though.

Anyways, when stuff is put up for vote (aka a moderator pushed a good suggestion in front of Catch/Bort and got approval), it's essentially in the 'not on the radar' category. It's more or less put up for user feedback. When you see Bort mark it as 'under consideration/in progress', that's your 'at the top of the list to be implemented'.

NGTH means exactly what it stands for. It's based on admin rulings. If something hasn't been ruled as NGTH in the past, it typically goes in front of Catch who makes that final determination. It's not meant to be some obscure slant that a moderator is making subjectively.

Also, up for vote = epic suggestions (they're on in the same) and Catch/corndog/Bort still skim the suggestions forum. As well as take direct feedback from testers (who are all regular users of the game).


I am not sure how I could have put that any more clear to you. I give up.

I mean the part you bolded was specifically about what you said was the point I was missing.

Can we go back to me playing Ambush Reporter with AirMcMVP? That was far more entertaining.

Originally posted by Novus
Can we go back to me playing Ambush Reporter with AirMcMVP? That was far more entertaining.

It must have been....

I, myself, am far too depressed with the comments from bhall and Romo here to continue any of this