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I've been able to sim it out to the build below, with 100 SP's left for allocation.

Player Build
Position: qb_deep_passer
Season: 5
Day: 1
Boosts: 30
Level: 79
Bonus Tokens: 1431
SP: 100

Attributes:
strength : 93.2
speed : 26
agility : 51.26
jumping : 10
stamina : 51.26
vision : 98.2
confidence : 76.26
blocking : 10
throwing : 109.2
catching : 8
carrying : 22.26
tackling : 8
kicking : 8
punting : 8

Top SA Tree: | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 |
Bottom SA Tree: | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |

I've been thinking something like this.

Player Build
Position: qb_deep_passer
Season: 5
Day: 1
Boosts: 30
Level: 79
XP: 0
Bonus Tokens: 1431
SP: 0

Attributes:
strength : 93.2
speed : 48
agility : 60.26
jumping : 10
stamina : 55.26
vision : 98.2
confidence : 76.26
blocking : 10
throwing : 109.2
catching : 8
carrying : 22.26
tackling : 8
kicking : 8
punting : 8

Top SA Tree: | 9 | 10 | 10 | 0 | 0 |
Bottom SA Tree: | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |

I think this is a lot better than the 1st build I did, due to the extra speed and agility.

Originally posted by OneGiantLeap
I've been able to sim it out to the build below, with 100 SP's left for allocation.

Player Build
Position: qb_deep_passer
Season: 5
Day: 1
Boosts: 30
Level: 79
Bonus Tokens: 1431
SP: 100

Attributes:
strength : 93.2
speed : 26
agility : 51.26
jumping : 10
stamina : 51.26
vision : 98.2
confidence : 76.26
blocking : 10
throwing : 109.2
catching : 8
carrying : 22.26
tackling : 8
kicking : 8
punting : 8

Top SA Tree: | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 |
Bottom SA Tree: | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |

I've been thinking something like this.

Player Build
Position: qb_deep_passer
Season: 5
Day: 1
Boosts: 30
Level: 79
XP: 0
Bonus Tokens: 1431
SP: 0

Attributes:
strength : 93.2
speed : 48
agility : 60.26
jumping : 10
stamina : 55.26
vision : 98.2
confidence : 76.26
blocking : 10
throwing : 109.2
catching : 8
carrying : 22.26
tackling : 8
kicking : 8
punting : 8

Top SA Tree: | 9 | 10 | 10 | 0 | 0 |
Bottom SA Tree: | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |

I think this is a lot better than the 1st build I did, due to the extra speed and agility.

better

plus with CE adding 1 to the top tree you probably have a little more SP to play with too

Originally posted by reddogrw
What do you prefer end higher - strength or confidence?

That answer should determine the archetype you choose

Exactly.

Originally posted by bhall43
Deep Passer is always the way to go.

If that was true, then why offer any other archetypes? Not dissing DP archetype, but I've had plenty of success with PP. You just have to build it right.

Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
If that was true, then why offer any other archetypes? Not dissing DP archetype, but I've had plenty of success with PP. You just have to build it right.



Of course you can build a dot that performs pretty well using any of the types as long as you build it right. I believe his point is that the optimum archetype is the deep passer without question in his mind. At least that is the way I read his statement; perhaps he will set me straight.

Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
If that was true, then why offer any other archetypes? Not dissing DP archetype, but I've had plenty of success with PP. You just have to build it right.



So your 2nd or 3rd highest attribute is confidence? Please just state that for the record.

Thought it appears that your opinion on confidence already showed with your exactly comment so it probably already doesn't matter what I argue.

meh.. I stated wrong attribute but same difference, just not.

Originally posted by bhall43
So your 2nd or 3rd highest attribute is confidence? Please just state that for the record.

You can overkill confidence even for a PP QB. If you're building a DP, most builds I see are (after throwing is done) strength heavy. I, personally, am not sold that 100 strength is WAY better than 80-90 so much so that it makes the DP archetype the "best". As for confidence, ANY QB should have at least 80 (IMO) because of how confidence effects QB's.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe somebody will post a 30 confidence WL QB (that isn't a glorified HB that can't throw 2 feet) and prove me wrong. I don't expect it... but I've been here long enough I won't be surprised if someone DOES.

As for the difference between archetypes, since a PP relies on quick decision making, quick release, and accurate passing, then all major (throwing-linked) attributes (besides throwing) should be as high as you can get them (80-90 for confidence, agility, strength, and vision). Since usually you have to sacrifice a little more in one than the others, I say vision and confidence probably end up higher than agility and strength. How much higher is up to the builder. I prefer mine as tight as I can get them.

Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
You can overkill confidence even for a PP QB. If you're building a DP, most builds I see are (after throwing is done) strength heavy. I, personally, am not sold that 100 strength is WAY better than 80-90 so much so that it makes the DP archetype the "best". As for confidence, ANY QB should have at least 80 (IMO) because of how confidence effects QB's.


Not that I agree with you on those numbers. But you just made it clear that DP is the best arch.

Originally posted by bhall43
Not that I agree with you on those numbers. But you just made it clear that DP is the best arch.

After making quite a few pocket pass arch types I totally agree that Deep Passer is better. That and I'm starting to believe that speed/agility to get into the dropback is just as important if not more so than confidence. I just don't the tangible evidence to suggest that you need more than 70-75 confidence. I might be totally off base here but after having QBs push 90 confidence and still seeing them play poorly due to lack of agility/speed I'll take my chances with lower confidence if that's what it takes to have the agility/speed to get into my drop.

There are some qb's doing quite well with mid 70's confidence.

Originally posted by bhall43
There are some qb's doing quite well with mid 70's confidence.
I keep retiring my players, but I intend for my next passing QB to only have confidence in the 50s. As for the question of archetypes, the only reason you would choose Pocket Passer is if you're centering the build around Pump Fake.

Originally posted by jdbolick

I keep retiring my players, but I intend for my next passing QB to only have confidence in the 50s. As for the question of archetypes, the only reason you would choose Pocket Passer is if you're centering the build around Pump Fake.

Pretty much. 50's seems crazy low to me. I think we are venturing for a 90 agility guy though on our recent project so we may stop pretty early on confidence too.

50 is low, but I read that Catch's testing of confidence showed no appreciable difference on performance at any level of confidence. We already know that 90+ confidence doesn't prevent morale spirals or decrease the frequency of bad throws, so I'm not sure the point of having it at all.

Originally posted by jdbolick

I keep retiring my players, but I intend for my next passing QB to only have confidence in the 50s. As for the question of archetypes, the only reason you would choose Pocket Passer is if you're centering the build around Pump Fake.

I could see networks keeping a few on pro feeder teams and pushing their stats for MVP gear. That +20% to pass quality is kind of game breaking.