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I get ya, BH... but if you're building a team around possession (or power) receivers, yeah... ain't gonna be much fun. Still, there's a place on any team full of more than enough speed receivers for one possession/power receiver. That "one guy" the QB knows he can chuck a ball to even if he's not open for some kind of positive yardage gain. Built well and used properly, a possession/power receiver can really help out a team. My PwrWR was, as you said, a guy who simply caught the ball and got tackled on the spot (sometimes a plus couple of yards). But he also blocked extremely well for the backs on rushing plays and was a good Go To guy on any 3rd and medium yardage (like between 4-9 yards). Builders just gotta know they're not building a "SUPERSTAR" dot... but an key player for team success. (BTW... they also make very good offensive ST dots!)
I don't ever expect possession/power receivers to suddenly become all the rage and stuff... but they can be successful in their own way.

You keep throwing power and possession WR's in a mix. They are 2 separate entities and don't provide nearly similar success.

In fact your Power WR is a great example of what I mean...in his last 3 seasons he caught 37% of his 210 targets and broke 14 tackles (Most of which came in games decided by more than 50 points). Ya that is great for anyone who wanted to work around having a guy who couldn't catch in a meaningful game only to make small use of their average blocking ability. I say average because he had just 1 pancake in his entire career so it wasn't like he was doing anything special that any other WR couldn't have done there.

I was hoping to build an offense around a pair of screen WR's but even with the work done on screens this past offseason the builds themselves just don't produce what you need from them to be worth a roster spot.

Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
but an key player for team success.

lol

Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
(BTW... they also make very good offensive ST dots!)


Also our definition of "very good" offensive ST dots probably aren't even remotely in the same ball park. Unless you are promoting hold block % AEQ and/or investment in blocking. At that point I would rather you are either a full blown STOP blocking Dot I can throw in at WR or you have some major catching ability and are completely forgetting about any sort of break tackle skill that isn't strength.

Originally posted by bhall43
You keep throwing power and possession WR's in a mix. They are 2 separate entities and don't provide nearly similar success.

This x1000

A possession wr needs to focus on the CB roll at the expense of nearly everything else. A Power wr needs to focus on breaking tackles and generating decent yac numbers... at the expense of everything else, they only really want enough catching to bring down a screen pass (which isn't much).

Originally posted by Saris
This x1000

A possession wr needs to focus on the CB roll at the expense of nearly everything else. A Power wr needs to focus on breaking tackles and generating decent yac numbers... at the expense of everything else, they only really want enough catching to bring down a screen pass (which isn't much).



Eh I think you still go all out on catching to some degree. I have to say I designed some screen WR's on the test server that one season that should have been rather godly to help prove a point that break tackle WR's are pretty terrible and threw them a bunch of screens for negative yardage. Id think Mike used them in the new screen tests too and they didn't seem too great. So it is tough to just rely on them as a screen machine. They have to be able to come up with some short grabs.

Like snakes guy here. http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=4264198

Here is your very good ST's.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2312244&pbp_id=6271307
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2312244&pbp_id=6272059
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2312239&pbp_id=2125782

Granted he will catch a block 1 outta 10 times but the lack of blocking and vision make engaging a block very hard and the lack of hold block AEQ and complete lack of blocking all together makes it hard for him to hold a block.

Originally posted by bhall43
Eh I think you still go all out on catching to some degree.

There just aren't enough SP's to go around. Here's my current attempt at a BT WR (obviously still missing a ton of aeq upgrades):

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=4258997

If I had it to do over he'd be a WR returner archetype with much lower catching and no +% catch ball.

Build is closed. He have pretty low catching? You will have to show some screens off this season to us.

My power TE should finally be coming around next season but he will be in casual pro. Probably would have been better to sign onto a team that could get him the short routes across the middle. I tried making use of him on sideline routes but he doesn't make those catches like ole Sean Dane used to for me.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=4269501

This guy has 69 catching + Poss WR + 15% Catch ball

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=4258403

Has been very hard to throw to this season. I will try and just sling him a bunch of really short across the middle catches if I can before he is released for the offseason and come back here and give the results.

Originally posted by bhall43
Build is closed. He have pretty low catching? You will have to show some screens off this season to us.


Nah he's a failed pwr/pos, and since when can't you open builds during roll over(anyway it's open now)?

Break tackle TE's might have a little more success due to those sideline routes, since they'd be in a position to gain some yards after broken tackles. This is what WR broken tackles have been netting:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2313158&pbp_id=6235235
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2313140&pbp_id=5579997
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2304392&pbp_id=78663
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2313103&pbp_id=4906114

Originally posted by bhall43
I tried making use of him on sideline routes but he doesn't make those catches like ole Sean Dane used to for me.


He'd probably only need first capped jumping to make those catches in single coverage.

Originally posted by Saris
Nah he's a failed pwr/pos, and since when can't you open builds during roll over?


Since always.

Here was my TE's season highlight...

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2309508&pbp_id=4966559

If you can get them in space it comes in handy tho

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2303502&pbp_id=989610
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2303502&pbp_id=991256

But if I had 60-70 catching I better have some awesome fake skills and some speed cuz otherwise moar fail. Maybe if you built a WR with soft capped catching and went all out on a break tackle/fake build at like 150 speed and just ran TE outs all day.

Originally posted by Saris
He'd probably only need first capped jumping to make those catches in single coverage.


Maybe. ill see when this guy is finished.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=4304266

I am a bit mad that those builds lost a bunch of tokens and training due to me being gone for a month so lost some good value on their skills. But they should still help me see some things.

Originally posted by bhall43

But if I had 60-70 catching I better have some awesome fake skills and some speed cuz otherwise moar fail.


You'd probably also find that not only would Juke help him get open more but it'd probably also lead to as many yards after the catch as his broken tackles did and at a tiny fraction of the SP investment.

Originally posted by bhall43
Maybe if you built a WR with soft capped catching and went all out on a break tackle/fake build at like 150 speed

Yeah exactly, that's why I like the returner archetype for BT receivers, there's no catching ALG.

Plus I think Juke might actually require a broken tackle during the post catch roll which might be why a lot of WR's don't Juke a lot post catch.

Well I took that saris dot for Benin. I have my own plans.