Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Ahrens858
no i was thinking why isnt he on my friends list
Well played sir, well played

Originally posted by Ahrens858
originally read name as thegreatanus

That's what he is going to name his power TE.

Originally posted by Pen15
no, because no one has the stones to take carrying to 90 on a WR.

Yeah, well Ive tried two different takes on power/bt WR's and neither has been anything close to brag about.

Originally posted by Moretti
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2400012&playoffs=0

this guy did it on about half his catches last season......now if he could have done it on half the passes thrown to him that would have been a better story

This guy might be a bit of a red herring...it seemed like you blew a lot of the other teams out of the water, so he may have been a big fish in a small pond and his build was largely better than his competition. That is about the only time that I really ever see a WR ever produce anything sadly. Would you be willing to share his build with me via PM?

And I believe when I signed up, thegreatanus was already taken. Sadface

because you touch yourself at night

It could change with all the intercept dots that are being built, and the low tackling that results from catching going up.

I wouldn't bother until something's changed, as a couple people have mentioned Bort's supposedly looking at it.

Here are the problems as I see them:

-CB's seem to have tackling in the mid 70's, at least one MT piece and one or both of DVG and Sure Tackler.
-YAC isn't what it used to be since the introduction of the 75% cap.
-Defenders are faster, meaning the receiver has little to no time to build up speed after the catch and momentum is a huge part of the BT roll.
-The investment to win a BT roll vs the new breed of CB's is HUGE and requires a major loss in either mobility or the catching roll (most likely both). If you reduce mobility, the receiver won't get many additional yards even if he does break a tackle. If you reduce catching he won't get the ball to begin with.
-Juke is a minor investment in comparison, will help the receiver get open and will probably lead to a lot more yards after the catch.
-You'd be better off building a FF Punter than a BT WR.

Mostly, the main issue is how big of a factor momentum is in the break tackle roll... A receiver's momentum is usually almost null at the moment of the catch, and thus it makes it nearly impossible to get a broken tackle.

Originally posted by Saris

-YAC isn't what it used to be since the introduction of the 75% cap.


Didn't Bort say in a previous Q&A that YAC was not added to the break tackle score, but multiplied. Hence, it could make sense to go 15 slippery and 15 YAC for instance.

Originally posted by Saris
I wouldn't bother until something's changed, as a couple people have mentioned Bort's supposedly looking at it.

Here are the problems as I see them:

-CB's seem to have tackling in the mid 70's, at least one MT piece and one or both of DVG and Sure Tackler.




I think this is the big thing - the extra levels on dots, and hence more SPs where introduced at a time, where people were adjusting to very succesfull BT WRs - and a lot of those SPs went straight to tackling. Then you had CEQ, freeing up an AEQ spot for %mt
Then Ball Hawk became useless for CBs (more or less) and everyone loaded up on a tackling VA as well

Might have the succession of changes wrong here - but = CBs are infinetly better tacklers

I think there might be a movement now in CBs towards less strength, more INT builds, more AG to help prevent the now very succesfull fake WRs - so maybe the problem is solving itself

I am not saying BT WRs shouldnt have a bump - but I would be very careful, or you could soon have a situation where CBs are completely useless against any kind of builds. It is not like one-on-one CBs are shutting down WRs all over.

Originally posted by cavalier
Didn't Bort say in a previous Q&A that YAC was not added to the break tackle score, but multiplied. Hence, it could make sense to go 15 slippery and 15 YAC for instance.
Good memory, although I have absolutely no idea what Bort is trying to say here:

Originally posted by Bort

Originally posted by January 9, 2013
Does YAC Attack stack with slippery/bruiser or is it a separate roll on its own?
YAC and Slippery/Bruiser do stack, but the order in which they are dealt with means that they are not additive but multiplicative (you get slippery/bruiser all the time to you break tackle score, which then gets the YAC bonus later multiplied on top when the situation comes up). I agree it's kinda confusing.

Of course, he also said this which seems to contradict it:
Originally posted by Bort

Originally posted by June 1, 2011
With the new cap on percentage being at 75%, most people are saying that getting slippery to 15 and YAC attack to 9 is the max necessary for any scat back. My question is, is the bonus that is given from YAC attack in the second right after the catch somehow a "special" bonus, or is any BT% piece or VA going to give the same bonus even in the first few ticks after the catch? In other words, is the bonus from Slippery to BT% the same as the bonus that YAC attack would give, only that Slippery's bonus is always active wheras YAC Attack is only active right after the catch?
Yes, the bonus "id" is the same: "break_tackle." Stackable VA's with the same bonus id's just get added together and culled if over 75%. The differences are in the timing of when they get added to the bonus stack.

I remember noticing this one on Sumatra last ssn, no idea what the build is but definitely saw him break a fair amount of tackles

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2355747

Wow, that is a lot of broken tackles.

Originally posted by lardaddy
I remember noticing this one on Sumatra last ssn, no idea what the build is but definitely saw him break a fair amount of tackles

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2355747


Right...yes, a lot of broken tackles, but for a reason. See play: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2301128&pbp_id=8570297 - Thats one slow mofo. This plays into Saris' extremely valid point:

Originally posted by Saris

-The investment to win a BT roll vs the new breed of CB's is HUGE and requires a major loss in either mobility or the catching roll (most likely both). If you reduce mobility, the receiver won't get many additional yards even if he does break a tackle. If you reduce catching he won't get the ball to begin with.


Even this play here shows that this dot will have limited success, even with fakes to create separation: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2300044&pbp_id=7960375 .

Though this is a very good example of what it takes to make a break tackle WR, which is what I was looking for, so thank you for that

Originally posted by jakobnielsen

I think there might be a movement now in CBs towards less strength, more INT builds, more AG to help prevent the now very succesfull fake WRs - so maybe the problem is solving itself

I am not saying BT WRs shouldnt have a bump - but I would be very careful, or you could soon have a situation where CBs are completely useless against any kind of builds. It is not like one-on-one CBs are shutting down WRs all over.

I agree...too much and everyone will want one and the raping and pillaging of secondaries will definitely happen and people will be pissed their CB's suck. Though...with regards to fakes, very useful for creating separation, yes; however, Bort said something awhile ago that WR's have a higher chance to fake people out after their catch, basically a pseudo broken tackle, but I NEVER see that, so I think he was just blowing smoke. That would be the better way to go imo in the current sim if it actually worked

There is something wonky with CB tackling. They get way more KLs than you would expect even with mediocre strength & tackling. If that can be adjusted down then CBs will need to build for KLs to achieve them consistently, and you'll see more broken tackles against those CBs playing on balanced or power tackling who really shouldn't be.

If you want to break tackles with a power WR all you have to do is take the tallest, heaviest WR you can select, get 100 strength (via EQ or SP), 80 carrying, 90 agility, get power through and lower the shoulder to 10 (may require 1 AEQ piece each and then adding a 2nd bonus SA).