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Your "slows down" argument is kinda pointless. Dots slow down when going through 'traffic'. Without the bonus from Surge he'd be even slower.

Originally posted by whodey08
Yea...really. You make jumping a part of your build process. Most power backs run thru the Dline who have very low jumping so it helps avoid those diving tackles. A power back should already have a great "beak tackle" build and hurdle is considered a broke tackle so it helps there too.

People get turned off by Hurdle because they use it on their elusive backs who get tackled by CB's and safeties who have really high jumping and the HB is built to fake so they dont see hurdle activate that often.

Powerback and hurdle:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2285759&pbp_id=4666943
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2285759&pbp_id=4667005
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2285759&pbp_id=4669937
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2285759&pbp_id=4671392
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2285804&pbp_id=6067750
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2285736&pbp_id=5029214

you make an interesting argument and nobody has really countered you. Probably too late for my PHB though.

Originally posted by InRomoWeTrust
Your "slows down" argument is kinda pointless. Dots slow down when going through 'traffic'. Without the bonus from Surge he'd be even slower.

My slows down argument is almost the whole point. Shall I read the description of Surge to you? I shall:

This player hits the hole with rushing gusto. The Surge skill gives this player a burst of acceleration when he hits the line of scrimmage on inside runs. This skill is important for players who rush up the middle a lot. It does not help with rushing outside. Additional level: Increases the Acceleration boost.

So...2/8 rushing plays I posted saw an acceleration burst. And no, I didn't discriminate which plays I posted, just the first 8 that I found in his 2 most recent games.

If Surge is providing a tangible acceleration boost 25% of the time it actually fires, whats the point of the SA?

I'll be putting surge on my HB, so I hope not.

Originally posted by whodey08
Yea...really. You make jumping a part of your build process. Most power backs run thru the Dline who have very low jumping so it helps avoid those diving tackles. A power back should already have a great "beak tackle" build and hurdle is considered a broke tackle so it helps there too.

People get turned off by Hurdle because they use it on their elusive backs who get tackled by CB's and safeties who have really high jumping and the HB is built to fake so they dont see hurdle activate that often.

Powerback and hurdle:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2285759&pbp_id=4666943
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2285759&pbp_id=4667005
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2285759&pbp_id=4669937
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2285759&pbp_id=4671392
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2285804&pbp_id=6067750
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2285736&pbp_id=5029214

verified and on the one I did , screen passes worked much better without adding catching

Originally posted by InRomoWeTrust
Your "slows down" argument is kinda pointless. Dots slow down when going through 'traffic'. Without the bonus from Surge he'd be even slower.

Yep. Surge is a good SA.

Originally posted by Black Peter
Yep. Surge is a good SA.

Works great for me.

Originally posted by Black Peter
Yep. Surge is a good SA.

Meh...I think it needs to fire before he hits the hole. As it stands, it only really fires when he hits the line of scrimmage, which is what is putting him in bad situations. I think the SA needs tweaking. Its not broken, but it needs to be re-evaluated imho. As it stands, I dont quite see the benefit from having Surge.

surge is good....and if you get first step the only problem you have is itll use more stamina

good synergy between those 2

Originally posted by StudMuffin
surge is good....and if you get first step the only problem you have is itll use more stamina

good synergy between those 2

um there is no synergy between surge and first step.

Originally posted by TheGreatAus
Meh...I think it needs to fire before he hits the hole. As it stands, it only really fires when he hits the line of scrimmage, which is what is putting him in bad situations. I think the SA needs tweaking. Its not broken, but it needs to be re-evaluated imho. As it stands, I dont quite see the benefit from having Surge.
If it fired beforehand, wouldn't it always go off?

Originally posted by yello1

How high do you have to get jumping to make hurdle work?

High enough to clear the hurdle.

Originally posted by jdbolick

If it fired beforehand, wouldn't it always go off?

Agreed. Perhaps firing when within 2 yards of LOS instead? But then you restrict it to being mostly a goal-line or short yardage use cuz once you're past the LOS, it wouldn't fire anymore.

Originally posted by jdbolick

If it fired beforehand, wouldn't it always go off?

No. Why would you think it would? It would have an opportunity to go off, just like it normally would and it does right now. All im suggesting is change when it actually fires, like a yard or two from the hole. At least the HB can point him self in the direction he wants to go, and literally surge through the hole at top speed, then make cuts as needed. Right now, its firing when he is in the hole and it usually goes to waste...not much use imo.