Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Vic Koenning
Don't listen to this guy. A good rQB can be useful to a team even if he doesn't dominate. Just being in and not running can be useful to an offense due to the opposition tagging him and opening up running holes for the RBs

If RQB is tagged then the Defense most often will sell out on the run,
often blitzing wide outside with S's/CBs (maybe throwing DEs/OLBs into the flats).

Unless you are throwing against this (with a poor passing rqb) not very easy, to come out the victor.

amirite?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2486558 - WL

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2448662 - EPL

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2573781 - NAPL This guy might make 90 rushing *fingers crossed*
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2287683&pbp_id=782421 Straight smokin' fools

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=4317966 - LvL 42 work in progress.

If you know how to build them, they are extremely useful. The better teams are using them right now.

Originally posted by darncat

interestingly enough, my team's throwing QB sucks at throwing ATP compared to my Tif da Cat
imo agility helps throwing far more than anyone realize

My rQBs usually end with around 100-105 agility(some say its an overkill, but I think I'll have the last laugh) and I've definitely noticed this...especially early on because of the low-level passing buff and I go agility first.

Both of the teams in the WL championship game last season had rQB's.

So jampy, unless you're going to call two of the better DC's in the game shitty, I'm not sure what to tell you.

And rQB's at the WL level are substantially better than the shitty ones you're used to seeing that do everything based on speed.

Originally posted by jampysos
If RQB is tagged then the Defense most often will sell out on the run,
often blitzing wide outside with S's/CBs (maybe throwing DEs/OLBs into the flats).

Unless you are throwing against this (with a poor passing rqb) not very easy, to come out the victor.

amirite?

Totally WRONG

Originally posted by aaasahi
Totally WRONG

Atleast that has been my experiences since rushingqbs have become popular (mostly low level exp.)

Fair if you disagree.

Originally posted by aaasahi
Totally WRONG

hear hear

Originally posted by aaasahi
Totally WRONG

wait a minute, what the hell do you mean totally wrong?

How else do you stop an RQB from getting to the sideline (where he is most dangerous imo)

without selling out on the run? Blitzing your Safeties/CBs from the outside.

Originally posted by jampysos
wait a minute, what the hell do you mean totally wrong?

How else do you stop an RQB from getting to the sideline (where he is most dangerous imo)

without selling out on the run? Blitzing your Safeties/CBs from the outside.

And as an OC, if I see that you respond to a rushing QB by blitzing your Safeties and CBs from the outside, you know what I'm going to do?

If I'm an all-rushing team, I'm going to do TONS of running up the gut and off-tackle to make your blitzing Safeties and CBs utterly useless. When I absolutely have to run outside, I'm going to use HB outside runs and get tricky with my QB depth chart to get around your tagging. (Kicker at QB2? Kicker at QB2.)

If I'm a conventional team, I'm going to use my rushing QB as a decoy for inside/off-tackle HB run plays (see above), plus let my rushing QB throw some screens and short passes.

...

jampy, I think you're too used to seeing rushing QBs get used by uncreative, boring OCs who have no idea how to fully utilize them. You're thinking like EXACTLY the sort of DC I love to play against... and the sort of DC I usually shred by 30.

Well I don't dc at all, so I think anyone will beat a D I make by 30.

I know exactly what you are talking about by using the rqb as a decoy,
thats exactly what i did with my rook team last season, worked so well at one point pHB was was getting 30 carries a game and we were throwing for like 500 a game.

I know what you are saying,
but chances are his build will not be good enough to get on a good team with a fully capable OC. Atleast the first time,
I am not bashing RQBs, I like them, however if they are not unique to the offense, i don't see much success with them from the average OC.

Originally posted by jampysos
Well I don't dc at all, so I think anyone will beat a D I make by 30.

I know exactly what you are talking about by using the rqb as a decoy,
thats exactly what i did with my rook team last season, worked so well at one point pHB was was getting 30 carries a game and we were throwing for like 500 a game.

I know what you are saying,
but chances are his build will not be good enough to get on a good team with a fully capable OC. Atleast the first time,
I am not bashing RQBs, I like them, however if they are not unique to the offense, i don't see much success with them from the average OC.

In WL, 12 teams have 1 RQB on roster....if RQB is so useless, why so many teams want to use?

And sell out your CB/ Safety isn't good idea, if you miss a tackle/ hold by TE or FB, then you will see RQB running to end zone.
Better way is set your safety do zone defense and pray your LB can hit the hole quickly. XD

Originally posted by jampysos
i don't see much success with them from the average OC.

Exactly. That's why I said in an earlier post that the key is to NOT be an average OC.

Originally posted by aaasahi
In WL, 12 teams have 1 RQB on roster....if RQB is so useless, why so many teams want to use?

And sell out your CB/ Safety isn't good idea, if you miss a tackle/ hold by TE or FB, then you will see RQB running to end zone.
Better way is set your safety do zone defense and pray your LB can hit the hole quickly. XD

no cares about this post.
I dont do old dots, I don't do defense.

Originally posted by Novus
Exactly. That's why I said in an earlier post that the key is to NOT be an average OC.

Not that easy. And its not that easy to get a fully committed OC without connections either.

Originally posted by jampysos
Not that easy.

Most things in life that are worth doing aren't easy. Suck it up, Poindexter.

Originally posted by jampysos
And its not that easy to get a fully committed OC without connections either.

That's why I'm my own OC.

Not easy either, but see above.

Originally posted by jampysos
wait a minute, what the hell do you mean totally wrong?

How else do you stop an RQB from getting to the sideline (where he is most dangerous imo)

without selling out on the run? Blitzing your Safeties/CBs from the outside.

i believe he is saying it is totally wrong that throwing is the only way to make a defense pay
for over adjusting to the rQB. it really depends on how the defense is set up.
in any event the advantage of the dual threat is you have at least some decent passing ability
to make the D pay by throwing the ball. but its not the only way to do it.