Warrior General Games

Originally posted by jampysos
How important is confidence in PW to these positions:

QB
Oline
LBs
CBs
P

And how much are we talking?

QBs 20s is good enough
O-Line Mid teens is good enough
Lbs Don't need it
Cbs Dont need it
P waste of a position

Originally posted by Homage
And you don't seem to get at all a single thing I said...

why do only think efficiency applies to top tier dawts?

same rules would apply to peewee

To an extent, yes. If you strictly tried to apply long term building rules to a PW dot you will have a terrible PW dot.

Originally posted by Homage
And you don't seem to get at all a single thing I said...

why do only think efficiency applies to top tier dawts?

same rules would apply to peewee

They apply yes, but with a PROPER pee wee build, the idea is to get balanced ASAP. Top Tier dots the idea is to be balanced by the time you get around level 65. Would you be touching confidence in the first season of a long term dot? Not if you want a good dot later in life. You can't use the same idea with long term dots with pee wee dots. It is 2 totally different worlds. What works with long term doesn't work with one and dones.

Originally posted by LordEvil
QBs 20s is good enough
O-Line Mid teens is good enough
Lbs Don't need it
Cbs Dont need it
P waste of a position

Sounds about right,
Thanks

Originally posted by Dub J
To an extent, yes. If you strictly tried to apply long term building rules to a PW dot you will have a terrible PW dot.

Originally posted by Seric
They apply yes, but with a PROPER pee wee build, the idea is to get balanced ASAP. Top Tier dots the idea is to be balanced by the time you get around level 65. Would you be touching confidence in the first season of a long term dot? Not if you want a good dot later in life. You can't use the same idea with long term dots with pee wee dots. It is 2 totally different worlds. What works with long term doesn't work with one and dones.

lol, these posts are adorable

You've had how much experience in PW?

Originally posted by Dub J
You've had how much experience in PW?

No, but both of you are completely off in this world of late game vs pee wee builds when they aren't much different in terms of ratios and attribute importance. Certain things aren't attainable at low levels that are at higher levels due to AEQ, but let's not act like PeeWee is something special.

I never once discussed SP efficiency of a PeeWee Build to a Long Term Build, so you really need to let that go.

Originally posted by Homage
in this world of late game vs pee wee builds when they aren't much different in terms of ratios and attribute importance.

Now think about that for a little while.

Originally posted by Dub J
Now think about that for a little while.



that i'm right and you're just being a moron?

cool

And exactly how much experience in PW do you have?

I see no trophies

You own no teams in Pee Wee

You're one of 100+ GMs on a Pee Wee team. So that means you probably do absolutely nothing on the team. Don't have any players on it.

You have no PW players and probably have never had players on a PW team.

So tell me, who would know more about PW? Someone who has little to no experience in PW (you) or people who have a lot of experience in Pee Wee (Me for sure, DubJ I don't know but I know he's been involved in PW at least 2 seasons)?

You talk about things like you know how it works when you clearly don't have a clue.

Homage, I do agree a "little" with what you're saying... but also I know from a LOT of PeeWee experience that there IS a difference of how you build. Realize I'm talking ONLY about one-n-done dots (since you can now take PeeWee dots all the way to the end and not be at a disadvantage against other level 79 dots). I could type you a long list of differences but the gist of it is there IS a difference in build style to long-term builds. And I agree completely with this;

(Homage posted: "the question isn't if 15 confidence is better than 10... it's about the cost of bringing that confidence up albeit nothing comparably speaking compared to other aspects of a build that may allow the dawts morale to remain")

But that's why I said what I said. It's finding the tiny little gains over your opponents that give you PeeWee championships... especially since, at that lowest of levels of play, tiny advantages are all you're gonna get. So if, in a 10 team league, 9 of those teams never put ANY points into confidence... then if you slip 1 or 2 points into yours, then you'll have an advantage. Not a HUGE advantage... but an advantage nonetheless.

Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
Homage, I do agree a "little" with what you're saying... but also I know from a LOT of PeeWee experience that there IS a difference of how you build. Realize I'm talking ONLY about one-n-done dots (since you can now take PeeWee dots all the way to the end and not be at a disadvantage against other level 79 dots). I could type you a long list of differences but the gist of it is there IS a difference in build style to long-term builds. And I agree completely with this;

(Homage posted: "the question isn't if 15 confidence is better than 10... it's about the cost of bringing that confidence up albeit nothing comparably speaking compared to other aspects of a build that may allow the dawts morale to remain")

But that's why I said what I said. It's finding the tiny little gains over your opponents that give you PeeWee championships... especially since, at that lowest of levels of play, tiny advantages are all you're gonna get. So if, in a 10 team league, 9 of those teams never put ANY points into confidence... then if you slip 1 or 2 points into yours, then you'll have an advantage. Not a HUGE advantage... but an advantage nonetheless.

Yes you can take a Pee Wee dot to 79 now but if they built properly for Pee Wee they will be at a disadvantage later in life due to SP being placed in other attributes too early.

Originally posted by Seric
Yes you can take a Pee Wee dot to 79 now but if they built properly for Pee Wee they will be at a disadvantage later in life due to SP being placed in other attributes too early.

Exactly. Which is why I differentiated between one-n-done style builds and long-term builds. There are still some people that build long-term dots and play PeeWee leagues. They'll be 3 boosts behind 99% of most rookie starting dots until they reach their end-build... but it still can create a dot extremely comparative to the rookie starters (once all reach plateau).
If you build a 1-n-done PeeWee style dot, you should never try to take it to plateau (IMHO) as it will be exactly as you speak. As it should be.

You're the most frustrating group of people to talk to ever.

I never said a damn thing about training methods, maximizing ALGs, etc etc...

Everything you guys are saying is simply reinforcing what I've stated yet you guys think you're arguing against me. Perhaps you want to read what I wrote. My reference to how they're similar is how all builds at high or low levels will ALWAYS factor opportunity cost. Has nothing to do with efficiency... that's only one aspect of building long term. There's the other aspect which is apparently lost on you guys: opportunity cost.

Originally posted by Seric
And exactly how much experience in PW do you have?

I see no trophies

You own no teams in Pee Wee

You're one of 100+ GMs on a Pee Wee team. So that means you probably do absolutely nothing on the team. Don't have any players on it.

You have no PW players and probably have never had players on a PW team.

So tell me, who would know more about PW? Someone who has little to no experience in PW (you) or people who have a lot of experience in Pee Wee (Me for sure, DubJ I don't know but I know he's been involved in PW at least 2 seasons)?

You talk about things like you know how it works when you clearly don't have a clue.



Are you implying Pee Wee is hard to do? Bro, it's fucking easy. Stop acting like you're doing something special.

Originally posted by Homage
Are you implying Pee Wee is hard to do? Bro, it's fucking easy. Stop acting like you're doing something special.

If it was so easy, why don't you do it? Why is there only a select number of people who are great in PW and the rest are average to alright? Is it easier than long term yes, but it isn't like it's a cake walk. This alone shows your lack of experience in PW.

Except there is a big problem with your argument. EVERTHING YOU'RE SAYING INVOLVES THE BUILD. An effective LONG term build isn't going to be that effective in Pee Wee. an Effective PW build will not be as effective in the long term. While there are still those who do it and are effective, they're not nearly as effective as if they built for the long term from the beginning.