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Originally posted by Hagalaz
How do you figure that ?

because carrying plays a much larger roll in all things HB skills

We're talking spin, fakes, not fumbling, brk tkl, etc etc.

Originally posted by Homage
because carrying plays a much larger roll in all things HB skills

We're talking spin, fakes, not fumbling, brk tkl, etc etc.

This is wrong for a power back. Spin is penalized for a powerback and Spin utilizes more agility than anything. Strength plays more of a role in break tackle than carrying does. If your building a powerback you want more strength than carrying.

Originally posted by whodey08
Originally posted by Homage

because carrying plays a much larger roll in all things HB skills

We're talking spin, fakes, not fumbling, brk tkl, etc etc.

This is wrong for a power back. Spin is penalized for a powerback and Spin utilizes more agility than anything. Strength plays more of a role in break tackle than carrying does. If your building a powerback you want more strength than carrying.

you still want to invest in Spin with a powerback

Originally posted by whodey08
This is wrong for a power back. Spin is penalized for a powerback and Spin utilizes more agility than anything. Strength plays more of a role in break tackle than carrying does. If your building a powerback you want more strength than carrying.

who gives a fuck if its penalized... its a break tackle... powerbacks should have carrying,strength and agility... why would it being penalized matter?

Originally posted by whodey08
This is wrong for a power back. Spin is penalized for a powerback and Spin utilizes more agility than anything. Strength plays more of a role in break tackle than carrying does. If your building a powerback you want more strength than carrying.

Originally posted by ProfessionalKop
who gives a fuck if its penalized... its a break tackle... powerbacks should have carrying,strength and agility... why would it being penalized matter?

I agree with prokop

Don't mind the penalty, get that mother to 10+ and profit

And Carry>strength all day

I never said to NOT use Spin. Of course you use Spin on a powerback. I just worded it wrong. I was basically just trying to point out that strength and carrying should both be 90-100 but if you were going to take one higher than the other that strength should be higher.

130 Speed, 105 Strength, 95 Carrying as minimums. Can go the opposite on Strength and Carrying. I've used this both ways to pretty good success in upper leagues.

nope....str/carry...goal is brkn tckl............spin moves you to another defender....plow power back is what we are discussing......tactics set to plow...str/car even I would think.....agi if...big if you go outside....up gut....%brk tackl....VA bruiser and such......SA...gotta put surge in that equation...end goal......smack 3 dudes in the mouth for 4.3 ypc on average.........as you move up inlevel then maybe speed/agi but core is smashmouth............now I have seen lower shoulder and more str do it......remember power up the gut is a whole bad ass build.....most NT's will stuff a center then stuff you....gotta think that way inGLB

no he is right.....up the gut you will deflect to another defender with spin........whodey08 is thinking up the gut....nail the first contact and plow

So far not a single reason has been given towards favoring carrying over strength for a power based HB.

If you're going power, statistically, most of your BTs will come from power throughs, where we know through direct confirmation that strength plays a higher role than carrying. LTS follows the same rule. It is not possible to have enough SPs to invest into fakes, spin, pt, lts, etc all in the same player. Usually people focus on PT, a few other power tree skills and spin, leaving fakes out of the equation. Considering that, we have two skills where strength is more important than carrying and one where carrying is more important than strength. Now unless we're planning on using our power back in the elusive slider and on outside rushes a lot (which frankly means you're not talking about a power back but a combo back like my old one), spin will have a lower impact overall than power through.

All of this is direct statistics and facts confirmed by bort. Taking into consideration these as facts, again, WHY IS CARRYING MORE IMPORTANT THAN STRENGTH. Do be direct and factual, please. I understand if people said they had the same importance, but since it makes no sense to me that carrying would be bigger than strength IN THIS PARTICULAR TYPE OF PLAYER, I'm quite curious at what the rationale is behind it.

ok...I have read and understand your point....carrying IS power back up the middle.....ball is tucked...less fumble....less drag tackle.....less diving tackle....carrying will actually cause a backward drift in which the diving tackler will hit..deflect off the HB and the HB will drift back and outward and still try to go down field.......str will cause a plow effect.......the diving tackler will hit...knock back the HB and the HB will continue ahead with no drift...again...add in other SA/va/AEQ...its a very tough build to do....I would say it needs to be built behind an O line and a scheme needs to be in place

Originally posted by Hagalaz
Anyone ever tried 140 speed 105 strength 95 carrying?

Poorly built but you've got WL touches and an open build (with a similar build to what you're suggesting): http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2354017

Led Pacific Pro in rushing yards last season.

Originally posted by Hagalaz
So far not a single reason has been given towards favoring carrying over strength for a power based HB.

If you're going power, statistically, most of your BTs will come from power throughs, where we know through direct confirmation that strength plays a higher role than carrying. LTS follows the same rule. It is not possible to have enough SPs to invest into fakes, spin, pt, lts, etc all in the same player. Usually people focus on PT, a few other power tree skills and spin, leaving fakes out of the equation. Considering that, we have two skills where strength is more important than carrying and one where carrying is more important than strength. Now unless we're planning on using our power back in the elusive slider and on outside rushes a lot (which frankly means you're not talking about a power back but a combo back like my old one), spin will have a lower impact overall than power through.

All of this is direct statistics and facts confirmed by bort. Taking into consideration these as facts, again, WHY IS CARRYING MORE IMPORTANT THAN STRENGTH. Do be direct and factual, please. I understand if people said they had the same importance, but since it makes no sense to me that carrying would be bigger than strength IN THIS PARTICULAR TYPE OF PLAYER, I'm quite curious at what the rationale is behind it.

This is just wrong

I mean you're splitting hairs between 105 strength/95 carry and 95 strength/105 carry