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Originally posted by T2
To help you out with #3 (your only actual suggestion in the OP), there is already a drop down to sort by archetype in the marketplace. What you want is to sort by "Any" under the position drop down.
Thanks T2. It's been a while since I recruited and I didn't know of the change. This is at least one good step in the right direction!
To help you out with #3 (your only actual suggestion in the OP), there is already a drop down to sort by archetype in the marketplace. What you want is to sort by "Any" under the position drop down.
Thanks T2. It's been a while since I recruited and I didn't know of the change. This is at least one good step in the right direction!
Originally posted by T2
To help you out with #3 (your only actual suggestion in the OP), there is already a drop down to sort by archetype in the marketplace. What you want is to sort by "Any" under the position drop down.
First, Thanks for correcting me about the marketplace sorting issue. Good to see that.
But as for it being my only suggestion, I'm guessing I didn't explain my other two points well enough.
The STOP archetypes' LOL bars, shown stats (on both the player's page AND the game page), and the Effective Levels shown are all either incorrect or missing entirely. While I don't have access to the GLB main engines, I can almost guarantee you that STOPS have NO separate program for calculating their LOL bars and EL's. I say this because if you look at a normal Center vs a STOP center, the STATS shown on the player's home page are... (wait for it...) exactly the same. Regular centers don't make 10 or more tackles a game... STOPS do. I'd even go as far to say that the reason ST players considered for MVP's end up being ONLY returners is because STOPS have no separate stat worth for themselves that would/could give them such consideration.
STOPS are simply different dots than regular offensive and defensive dots and their EL's, LOL bars, and stats should reflect that.
To help you out with #3 (your only actual suggestion in the OP), there is already a drop down to sort by archetype in the marketplace. What you want is to sort by "Any" under the position drop down.
First, Thanks for correcting me about the marketplace sorting issue. Good to see that.
But as for it being my only suggestion, I'm guessing I didn't explain my other two points well enough.
The STOP archetypes' LOL bars, shown stats (on both the player's page AND the game page), and the Effective Levels shown are all either incorrect or missing entirely. While I don't have access to the GLB main engines, I can almost guarantee you that STOPS have NO separate program for calculating their LOL bars and EL's. I say this because if you look at a normal Center vs a STOP center, the STATS shown on the player's home page are... (wait for it...) exactly the same. Regular centers don't make 10 or more tackles a game... STOPS do. I'd even go as far to say that the reason ST players considered for MVP's end up being ONLY returners is because STOPS have no separate stat worth for themselves that would/could give them such consideration.
STOPS are simply different dots than regular offensive and defensive dots and their EL's, LOL bars, and stats should reflect that.
Edited by Theo Wizzago on Jan 11, 2013 12:53:19
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Originally posted by T2
To help you out with #3 (your only actual suggestion in the OP), there is already a drop down to sort by archetype in the marketplace. What you want is to sort by "Any" under the position drop down.
yeah, but you can't look at all guys with STOP archetype at the same time--only Centers or Guards or DEs etc.
To help you out with #3 (your only actual suggestion in the OP), there is already a drop down to sort by archetype in the marketplace. What you want is to sort by "Any" under the position drop down.
yeah, but you can't look at all guys with STOP archetype at the same time--only Centers or Guards or DEs etc.
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Not sure what you mean by the effective levels not being accurate. They are accurate based on how they were built. If someone tried to make a center with 100 tackling and used the Pass Blocker arch they are an idiot and you should be lol'ing at them rather than throwing a fit about it.
+1 for new lolbars for ST Archs though.
+1 for new lolbars for ST Archs though.
Originally posted by bhall43
Not sure what you mean by the effective levels not being accurate. They are accurate based on how they were built. If someone tried to make a center with 100 tackling and used the Pass Blocker arch they are an idiot and you should be lol'ing at them rather than throwing a fit about it.
+1 for new lolbars for ST Archs though.
Having built a number of STOP centers (and other STOPS) I can tell you that the way you build them isn't the same way you build a normal center. STOPS have more speed (or should have), less strength (usually), and more tackling (or should have) than a normal center... and, as such, will never have a EL reflective of those skills the same as a normal center does. STOP centers are graded against normal center standards... and therefore always have crappier EL's and LOL bars than they should. If they had their OWN standards against which they were graded, then it'd be awesome. I'm not gonna say my STOPS were the greatest ever built... but they were highly effective at their jobs. Even returners don't get EL love. I can get them MVP's out the wazoo... but never get the EL to match their output on the field. I gave up long ago even looking at EL's and LOL bars for any STOPS or Returners... because they simply don't correctly reflect the builds.
I know this issue isn't big on GLB's list of things to do... but I'd be sorely disappointed if it wasn't even a consideration for change.
Not sure what you mean by the effective levels not being accurate. They are accurate based on how they were built. If someone tried to make a center with 100 tackling and used the Pass Blocker arch they are an idiot and you should be lol'ing at them rather than throwing a fit about it.
+1 for new lolbars for ST Archs though.
Having built a number of STOP centers (and other STOPS) I can tell you that the way you build them isn't the same way you build a normal center. STOPS have more speed (or should have), less strength (usually), and more tackling (or should have) than a normal center... and, as such, will never have a EL reflective of those skills the same as a normal center does. STOP centers are graded against normal center standards... and therefore always have crappier EL's and LOL bars than they should. If they had their OWN standards against which they were graded, then it'd be awesome. I'm not gonna say my STOPS were the greatest ever built... but they were highly effective at their jobs. Even returners don't get EL love. I can get them MVP's out the wazoo... but never get the EL to match their output on the field. I gave up long ago even looking at EL's and LOL bars for any STOPS or Returners... because they simply don't correctly reflect the builds.
I know this issue isn't big on GLB's list of things to do... but I'd be sorely disappointed if it wasn't even a consideration for change.
Originally posted by fogie55
yeah, but you can't look at all guys with STOP archetype at the same time--only Centers or Guards or DEs etc.
Right but you could set it to Archetype = STOP and Position = Any. That was my point.
yeah, but you can't look at all guys with STOP archetype at the same time--only Centers or Guards or DEs etc.
Right but you could set it to Archetype = STOP and Position = Any. That was my point.
Originally posted by T2
Right but you could set it to Archetype = STOP and Position = Any. That was my point.
That'd be great... if there was an "any" selection on position. There is one on Archetype... but not position.
Right but you could set it to Archetype = STOP and Position = Any. That was my point.
That'd be great... if there was an "any" selection on position. There is one on Archetype... but not position.
)As these suggestions (about fixing ST's) just keep piling up, I'll try to link them here. Mods can choose to merge or not as they desire.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=5039524&page=1#46863727
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=5039524&page=1#46863727
#3 is sorta kinda up for vote already.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4851331
ETA: I'm also not going to merge all ST suggestions. Each suggestion deserves a unique thread, specifically if something is going to come up for vote. You may like one component but dislike another.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4851331
ETA: I'm also not going to merge all ST suggestions. Each suggestion deserves a unique thread, specifically if something is going to come up for vote. You may like one component but dislike another.
Edited by InRomoWeTrust on Jan 29, 2013 19:47:55
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