Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Gerr
Not trying to kill your suggestion. It's a good idea, but in the end is only a band-aid fix for a larger problem, which I am trying address.

PW is dying because there are too many options for 1st season players and not enough choose the PW route. Ya your idea would bring more into PW, but at the expense of the Rookie leagues. As a PW owner, that's good for me, which is why I like it, but it's still not a good perm fix for a larger problem.

I would be very happy if this was implemented as it would help PW, but I still think it's only a minor fix for a much larger problem.

NO

As I've already explained to you, you're wrong and it's been proven. Peewee was around before rookie leagues. When rookie leagues were created PW did not lose one bit of quality, they merely lost quantity. That's because all these owners that bought rookie teams and sold back their PW were only using peewee as a place to house their farm team. PW lost a bunch of teams that didn't have AIs and saved SPs.

If you want to split hairs, allowing people to own 3 regular / 3 casual teams is more harmful to the QUANTITY of PW teams than rookie leagues.

What I'm suggesting would allow more competitiveness because people that actually want to compete in peewee can do so. What you're suggesting would force a bunch of people that don't give two shits about a team or players until they hit plateau into peewee.

Originally posted by Gerr
Most PW owners/coaches stay in PW not because of it's 1&done nature, but instead because the teams don't move on and that created a tier system akin to the Pro leagues.

I beg to differ. The one and done aspect is the #1 thing PW has going for it. With rivalry points teams stick together throughout their rise through the regular/casual leagues. If people aren't in PW for the one and done and not being penalized for trying out new things then they are boneheads.

I like the OP idea. 2 things/rules that should be in place for it though.....

1) A peewee team can sign a player the same age as the day of the season(i.e... day 7, the player can only be 7 days or younger) providing that the player boosted for the current season, after rollover.

2) Contracts can not be renegotiated for peewee's..... I believe this is the main reason that it is the way it is now. I remember in the past, people would renegotiate contracts over and over to dump all the team money onto the players. Of course money doesn't mean anything to the player like it did when you had to buy equipment, which is why this was done.


**** edited for my boosting misunderstanding.****

Originally posted by MarBro456
1) A peewee team can sign a player the same age as the day of the season(i.e... day 7, the player can only be 7 days or younger) providing that the player HAS NOT boosted.


I disagree. If they boosted during the season (as stated in the OP) they should be able to be signed by a PW team. If they boosted D48 they are ineligible for PW.

Why the restriction on boosting? If they boosted this season it's no different than someone that signed with a peewee last offseason and then boosted early this season.

Ahhhhh, I see what you two mean.

I agree with you on that then. As long as they boosted when a peewee player was able to... check.

it's all good bro

Originally posted by MarBro456
Ahhhhh, I see what you two mean.

I agree with you on that then. As long as they boosted when a peewee player was able to... check.

There you go

From an owners perspective, it wouldn't make much difference to me if all the players on my team were 1&done or built for the long term as I would simply adjust my AI's as needed. Granted the 1&done players which I could ask agents to build to suit would work better, but I could still try new things out in my AI's with long term builds, just have get different archetypes and be more careful in recruiting.

As for quality staying the same and only quantity lowering, I disagree. More human teams with more boosted players means more competition in general. There are way too many no-no and CPU teams in PW, especially in Gold. Plus the number of quality PW agents and owners/coaches is slowly going down and there is not really any influx of new ones as most of them go to the Rookie leagues.

That's my main point is that having 3 different leagues for 1st season players spreads the talent pool very thin and that is at least in part why PW is struggling. Your idea does help this and I am all for it, but it doesn't fix the underlying problem IMO.

It seems to me you are steering away from the suggestion. The suggestion is to change signing rules so PW teams can pick up players that are created after the deadline.

This is no way turns PW into Rookie, Rookie does not need to be cut because it is the 'same thing', recruiting is not the problem, and it is already stated that PW teams had no AI and were just farm teams. It would be like playing the CPU. Quality was not lost here. And tbh, if you wanted some competition, go join the other quality PW agents/owners instead of trying to make PW more appealing.

I was simply suggesting a fix that addresses the larger issue, but Dub's suggestion is a good one to get the ball rolling. My bigger suggestion is probably premature at this point and we should probably just focus on Dub's for now.

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