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Originally posted by T♠2♠

Every other league in the world: QB stands in pocket, gets pressured, throws ball sideways. Flag. Loss of down. Lose yardage.

Not if there's a receiver within 10 yards.

Originally posted by regoob2
Not if there's a receiver within 10 yards.

sad.

Originally posted by regoob2
Not if there's a receiver within 10 yards.

Yes, but in GLB that would be incomplete. Not a throwaway. I swear some smartasses just like to argue. So let's put it this way since maybe some of you forget the dots aren't really real. That's ok, I understand. It's a computer game that runs on codes. The game knows its a throw away. There is no grey area. If there is an intended target, the ball goes that direction. If its thrown away, it goes out of bounds and we get this nifty little text that says...wait for it...throw away! So, by rule, the QB is standing in the pocket, throws the ball away as intended, and gets away with intentional grounding, and it seems to be happening now more than I remember it before. There is nothing to argue. It's hurting sack numbers, hurries, and passing stats. It looks stupid while watching the sim. It's a worthless part of the game and should be fixed.

And please, unless you are Bort or C22, please spare me your "but there are more important issues" wisdom.

Now...maybe someone who's not a dick like I am can turn this into a legit suggestion.

Originally posted by Novus
ALL calls in football are judgement calls by the refs.





If a guy is off side he is off side..not a judgement call

If a guy makes an illegal shift it is an illegal shit..not a judgement call

If a guy grabs a face mask it is face masking..not a judgment call

just 3 quick ones.



Originally posted by Novus


Doesn't matter if the football broke the plane of the endzone or not... what actually matters is whether or not the ref SAYS the ball broke the plane or not. Refs can be wrong, of course, but the ref's judgement call is the only thing that matters for determining the outcome of a play.
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one word...replay......
if the ball breaks the plan(just using your example) they use replay..to see if it does or not

Originally posted by T♠2♠
Yes, but in GLB that would be incomplete. Not a throwaway. I swear some smartasses just like to argue. So let's put it this way since maybe some of you forget the dots aren't really real. That's ok, I understand. It's a computer game that runs on codes. The game knows its a throw away. There is no grey area. If there is an intended target, the ball goes that direction. If its thrown away, it goes out of bounds and we get this nifty little text that says...wait for it...throw away! So, by rule, the QB is standing in the pocket, throws the ball away as intended, and gets away with intentional grounding, and it seems to be happening now more than I remember it before. There is nothing to argue. It's hurting sack numbers, hurries, and passing stats. It looks stupid while watching the sim. It's a worthless part of the game and should be fixed.

And please, unless you are Bort or C22, please spare me your "but there are more important issues" wisdom.

Now...maybe someone who's not a dick like I am can turn this into a legit suggestion.

So you'd be fine with it if it just said "bad throw" or "incomplete"?

As a lover of defenses, I LOVE This idea!!! This means the QB's will be holding onto the ball much longer thereby allowing my guys to record more sacks! Sweet! +10 GRAND!

Firstly, if you are going to say something about the rule, please know the rule well. I want to see the 10 yard rule at some level.

NFL rulebook:
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/2012%20-%20Rule%20Book.pdf
search for intentional grounding, will be the 4th instance



NAIA:
http://www.naia.org/fls/27900/1NAIA/resources/sid/Rule%20Books/FBR.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=27900

should not be too hard to find the rule for NCAA and each states HS, but I have to get ready for work. Now if they want to exclude most levels of football rules, then I suppose that is one thing, but at least know the rule if you are going to state something about the rule.

This is GLB so anyone arguing about the rules of intentional grounding can forget it.

The Thrown Away feature is a deliberate part of the code for the sim, it serves a specific funtion in GLB and is doing so at the intended rates.

Its possible the rate at which it happens might be reviewed in future, but it wont be eliminated and intentional grounding will not become a feature.

/thread.

Originally posted by Mike Rogers
This is GLB so anyone arguing about the rules of intentional grounding can forget it.

The Thrown Away feature is a deliberate part of the code for the sim, it serves a specific funtion in GLB and is doing so at the intended rates.

Its possible the rate at which it happens might be reviewed in future, but it wont be eliminated and intentional grounding will not become a feature.

/thread.



Okay, perhaps. However, this is not what you said in your first post. Instead you challenge the poster's understanding of the rule, which made it clear you did not know or understand the rule.

Further, isn't the idea of suggestions to make suggestions that you believe will benefit the game. I realize that it operates the way it does for a reason, my guess is it is a coding ease reason for one. However, don't you realize that there are probably reasons for the rule in nearly every other variation of football on most levels? It is probably there for a reason as well. I don't think we want to see the penalty in the game, just remove the potential for it to occur. It should instead go ahead and target a receiver or take the sack. I believe that would be far more beneficial to the game than to see balls be thrown from the pocket all over the field to no person with no potential for real negative or positive play. I think the original poster in this thread feels pretty similarly. there may be others if you allow real discussion to occur instead of simply stating, "This is the way it is, things will remain."

Your last statement and your /thread are just plain silly (I don't believe intentional grounding rule will become a feature either, but to think it can't be revisited to eliminate is simply naive on your part). Perhaps it will not be eliminated, but

Originally posted by toobad4u_00


Okay, perhaps. However, this is not what you said in your first post. Instead you challenge the poster's understanding of the rule, which made it clear you did not know or understand the rule.
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That was my first post in this thread.

You are mistaken, and yet again failed to read a post properly before trying to attack it.

Suggest you stop doing that, its a bad habit.

Originally posted by Mike Rogers

That was my first post in this thread.

You are mistaken, and yet again failed to read a post properly before trying to attack it.

Suggest you stop doing that, its a bad habit.

Actually, I saw the bugs moderator post and sadly put you in the same boat. For that I apologize. However, I suggest you read the whole post I made. I made several more points than just that. I still did not misread your post though. I disagreed with that post you made separately as well.

So basically we need to have the "throw away" throw the ball in the vicinity of a receiver so everyone is happy?

Originally posted by ron2288
Originally posted by Novus

ALL calls in football are judgement calls by the refs.




If a guy is off side he is off side..not a judgement call

If a guy makes an illegal shift it is an illegal shit..not a judgement call

If a guy grabs a face mask it is face masking..not a judgment call

just 3 quick ones.

Originally posted by Novus
Doesn't matter if the football broke the plane of the endzone or not... what actually matters is whether or not the ref SAYS the ball broke the plane or not. Refs can be wrong, of course, but the ref's judgement call is the only thing that matters for determining the outcome of a play..

one word...replay......
if the ball breaks the plan(just using your example) they use replay..to see if it does or not

You're missing my MAIN point.

I was responding to someone who said (paraphrasing), "Intentional grounding is a judgement call" and who then went on to argue that the sim isn't capable of making judgement calls.

My response is that the sim doesn't HAVE to make judgement calls, because the sim KNOWS exactly what is going on with every player and with the ball at all time. Human referees don't... which is why they miss obvious penalties and screw up replay reviews. (Hello, judgement calls!)

Intentional grounding has a very specific set of rules: when the ball is thrown away, it's intentional grounding if the QB was still inside the tackle box (the sim knows where the QB is and where the tackle box is), or if the ball doesn't pass the line of scrimmage (the sim knows where the scrimmage line is and where the ball is), or if the ball doesn't land close enough to an eligible receiver (the sim knows where the ball is and where all eligible receivers are, including their distance to where the ball lands).

So, if GLB were to add Intentional Grounding penalties, the sim already has all the data it needs. No judgement call needed. So, to argue that the sim can't handle calling Intentional Grounding because it's a "judgement call" is folly.

THAT was my main point. Don't get hung up on the rest.