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SG✬21
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Originally posted by The Orbical
the worst thing about zones is when the zone guy bites on a receiver running through the corner of their zone area, and then the other receiver making a catch for 25+ yards in the space the zone guy just left

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2159295&pbp_id=8820287

Only example i could find from my last game, but as you can see MLB is set to under middle zone and he bites on the WR2 who is likely right on the edge of his zone area and yet still runs over their, which then leaves WR1 to make the catch in the exact space the MLB was supposed to be...

what they should do is have another option for defenders who are in zone coverage, which is like the drop down tab they have now but have another one that allows them to choose what player they want to focus more on...

for example, the MLB is in middle zone but his other option for being in zone has him focussed on the WR1, so if the WR1 goes into his area then he bites but if others go into it then he stays at the spot he is supposed to be...


In theory that might work but in that i link i would say working as intended. idea of zones is to watch the QB and react to where he is looking, the MLB recognized that he is looking at WR2 so he started to move over there to help out in coverage and unfortunately WR1 happened to have that type of route that brought him through that zone. If the MLB didn't inch over toward WR2 then he may have caught it instead.
 
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+1
 
SG✬21
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http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2161350&pbp_id=9191754

lol are you kidding me, and catch thinks the pass game is fine
 
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Originally posted by SG✬21
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2161350&pbp_id=9191754

lol are you kidding me, and catch thinks the pass game is fine


it was deflected though so thats a poor example but yea i agree its still bad
 
SG✬21
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Originally posted by Diamond Spade
it was deflected though so thats a poor example but yea i agree its still bad


no its just proving how bad the pass game is
 
Dr. E
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Just need to tweak up the chance to deflect for multiple dots in coverage. He's done it before.
 
SG✬21
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Originally posted by Dr. E
Just need to tweak up the chance to deflect for multiple dots in coverage. He's done it before.


No its not just that, single coverage deep with no help isn't a viable option for defense since the completion rate is still high. Yes there should be a chance to complete the pass but not at the same rate as you would get on a short pass.
 
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Yeah this game has turned into C2 every play & situational flat zoning the DEs. Its friggin boring because single coverage is too easy & throwing into double coverage is not punished enough.

Add in that QB pressure is almost nothing & not forcing QBs to throw more quickly (i.e. reward the short pass) and you have a really vanilla sim that is essentially an RNG of who gets the most deep balls and blown outside rushes.
 
SG✬21
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Originally posted by SteveMax58
Yeah this game has turned into C2 every play & situational flat zoning the DEs. Its friggin boring because single coverage is too easy & throwing into double coverage is not punished enough.

Add in that QB pressure is almost nothing & not forcing QBs to throw more quickly (i.e. reward the short pass) and you have a really vanilla sim that is essentially an RNG of who gets the most deep balls and blown outside rushes.


Exactly how the sim has become, i couldn't say it any better myself.

right now i feel OCs don't have to put in to much time because RNG will help them out on most passes. As a DC i almost don't want to ever put in more time because i know it won't make a difference in this sim.
Edited by SG✬21 on Sep 22, 2012 20:06:45
 
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Still can't believe this sim is going out of beta with a large amount of sim issues on hand.
 
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Originally posted by SG✬21
Still can't believe this sim is going out of beta with a large amount of sim issues on hand.


Quit DCing like I did and quit making D dots like I am going to do. Why make a D dots when they're the red-headed step childs of GLB and get the shaft left and right? Make no sense to spend FPs on a D dot nowadays. Basically done with it.
 
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Originally posted by Toriq
Quit DCing like I did and quit making D dots like I am going to do. Why make a D dots when they're the red-headed step childs of GLB and get the shaft left and right? Make no sense to spend FPs on a D dot nowadays. Basically done with it.


Im done making dots for now, as for DCing i'll keep doing it as i can't up and leave on all the teams i DC for right now. If it appears the sim isn't making changes i may end up moving away from GLB in general
 
Dr. E
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Originally posted by SG✬21
No its not just that, single coverage deep with no help isn't a viable option for defense since the completion rate is still high. Yes there should be a chance to complete the pass but not at the same rate as you would get on a short pass.


Then double cover them. Or do like I see a lot against my team, run a two or three deep zone. It all works.

It's not hard to shut down a passing team, just got to have good dots, build to play in the scheme being used and a scout/game plan that fits what the opponent does.
Edited by Dr. E on Sep 23, 2012 14:00:52
 
SG✬21
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Originally posted by Dr. E
Then double cover them. Or do like I see a lot against my team, run a two or three deep zone. It all works.

It's not hard to shut down a passing team, just got to have good dots, build to play in the scheme being used and a scout/game plan that fits what the opponent does.


no im just a terrible DC who runs single coverage deep 24/7 please do a little research and maybe look at the teams i DC for before you make a comment like that telling me to double cover them or play deep zones to help. If you did look you would see thats all i do and all ive done all season.

Im tired of these cookie cutter defense's because everyone runs cover 2 deep all the time, every team has a similar look becuase those safeties are always deep like that.

QBs can be 15 for 35 in this sim but have 400 yards because its just that easy to throw deep all the time into double coverage ect.
 
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Originally posted by SG✬21
no im just a terrible DC who runs single coverage deep 24/7 please do a little research and maybe look at the teams i DC for before you make a comment like that telling me to double cover them or play deep zones to help. If you did look you would see thats all i do and all ive done all season.

Im tired of these cookie cutter defense's because everyone runs cover 2 deep all the time, every team has a similar look becuase those safeties are always deep like that.

QBs can be 15 for 35 in this sim but have 400 yards because its just that easy to throw deep all the time into double coverage ect.


I'm not saying pass coverage doesn't need a tweak, but it would be small. But, if it was as easy as you say, QBs would be completing a lot more passes against me than they do.

As for researching DCs, I don't see how looking at a profile would indicate if a DC is good or bad? Even looking at a win loss record doesn't show much.
 
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