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Originally posted by beastli
Dude your awesome!!! Appreciate it lets say if you were me and wanted to try tobfix the build... first step?


Tackling, First Step, and Strength. At this point, he's probably going to be to slow regardless, but he might as well not also be too poor of a tackler. Try and remedy that by getting tackling to 60 and strength to 50 (train these before you drop SPs there). From there you can see where you are with SPs and try to pump up FS and CD to make up for the lack of speed. They won't do the same job as the higher speed would, but it will help a bit.
 
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Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
63/72 is nothing to brag about. My two man coverage CBs were at 60/74 and 60/75. And no one cares about CB rankings, especially in a crap league like that one. Your stamina and tackling suck (tackling way too low), you've wasted points in catching, you've invested in SAs too early, and your AEQ is god awful. There might be multiple ways to go, but your way is not one of those.


Longhorn, you really need to stop making a fool of yourself. In another thread you (and others) said I was stupid for building up tackling... in this thread you say I do not have enough...

As for stamina... nearly 50 and never has energy problems, so you are wrong about that. He only has one piece of AEQ that he got to get a bit more agility, and it was a low cost item.

And SAs he did not invest in until recently, and considering his primary and secondary abilities, it was hardly too early.

You show again you are extremely narrow minded on what you think a 'good' build is... in fact you prove it by saying 63/72 is nothing to brag about... the effective levels are based on caparisons to other builds... that means that compared to other level 60ish builds my CB is considerably better then most, so you are about as wrong as you can get and are making yourself look dumb.

 
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Originally posted by einar_90808
Longhorn, you really need to stop making a fool of yourself. In another thread you (and others) said I was stupid for building up tackling... in this thread you say I do not have enough...

As for stamina... nearly 50 and never has energy problems, so you are wrong about that. He only has one piece of AEQ that he got to get a bit more agility, and it was a low cost item.

And SAs he did not invest in until recently, and considering his primary and secondary abilities, it was hardly too early.

You show again you are extremely narrow minded on what you think a 'good' build is... in fact you prove it by saying 63/72 is nothing to brag about... the effective levels are based on caparisons to other builds... that means that compared to other level 60ish builds my CB is considerably better then most, so you are about as wrong as you can get and are making yourself look dumb.



The only fool here is you.

The reason we were getting on you in the other thread about having too much tackling is because you were claiming that people should take tackling---a minor attribute--up prior to taking up their major attributes. That's bad build practice all the way around.

As for stamina--every single top team will disagree with you there. 60 is the minimum for stamina at all positions except K/P.

Considering your primary and secondary abilities, you are investing in SAs too early. Tackling should be at 60 minimum before you start investing in SAs. You also either have your CEQ in the wrong tree or have invested in RS, Blitz, and CS on a man CB. Either way that's poor building.

Finally, my thinking on what good builds is not narrow minded. That 63/72 is comparing the build to all level 60 builds since the beginning of the game, including those who are declining and those who were built in different building systems. It is much easier to get higher SP values in the current building system than the older building systems, so you have a built in advantage in your EL. Also, being better than shitty doesn't mean that you are good. EL means much less than the build itself, and that build is bad regardless of its EL. You just don't understand what it means to build an elite CB because you never have and you've always been stuck in shitty leagues where your CB can do well against shitty competition. That CB would be eaten alive in any real league.

And seriously, 63 vision on a level 63 CB? L-O-FUCKING-L.
 
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Im still waiting for the part where LHF is making himslef into a fool here.... I see 1 but he isnt named LHF
Edited by Sellars on Sep 3, 2012 15:18:34
 
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well all I see are two fools that are proving themselves narrow minded... and proving their lack of wisdom by needing to result to swearing on the forums... can always tell someone does not have anything worth listening to if they have to swear to say it. You two are really pathetic.
 
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Too bad I didnt swear but thx for playing kid
 
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Originally posted by einar_90808
well all I see are two fools that are proving themselves narrow minded

narrow mindedness only applies when dealing with matters of subjectivity. this is math. math is concrete. you are either right or wrong. there is no middle ground. we have shown you multiple times in multiple forum posts how your way of building falls behind. refusing to look at and accept the math is just dumb. now if you find an error in our math, feel free to correct us. but until then, you should probably stop trying to give newer players advice. are your builds decent? sure, i will give you that. but they could bet much better, and there in lies the problem. this game is all about optimization.
 
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Originally posted by einar_90808
Hjørne Tilbake (Lv. 63 CB)(Effective Lv. 72)

Vision: 63.74





Is this a good idea?
 
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Here's how I finished up my Casual Pro CB. Good enough to get the Defensive MVP gear in Cas pro for this season. He's been a heck of a ballhawk throughout his career and hasn't missed a tackle yet this season. Jumping is pretty overrated IMO. Would definitely agree with the recommendations of 50str/60tkl in tandem with a tackling VA and +5% tackling gear. CBs that can't tackle hurt alot more than stats show. When they miss, it's almost always results in a huge play by the offense. Hurts way more than a miss by a Dlineman or LB in most cases.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2145383

Dude Ranch (Lv. 79 CB)
Ht/Wt: 6'3", 170lbs

Experience, Skill Points, and Cash
Money: $0
Daily Salary: $11500
Skill Points: 0
Training Points: 0
Bonus Tokens: 0
Veteran Points: 0
Next Level: 0/1000

Attributes
Physical Attributes
Strength: 50
Speed: 150.1 (+53)
Agility: 84.1 (+2)
Jumping: 61.1
Stamina: 61.26
Vision: 98.1 (+7)
Confidence: 48.26

Football Skills
Blocking: 8
Catching: 63.26
Tackling: 63.26
Throwing: 8
Carrying: 8
Kicking: 8
Punting: 8

Special Abilities
Shutdown Corner Abilities
Swat Ball: 5
Sticky Hands: 9
Superior Vision: 9
Smooth Operator: 3
Shutdown Coverage: 9

Speedster Abilities
First Step: 5
Change Direction: 9
Return Specialist: 1
Blitz: 1
Closing Speed: 1

Additional Abilities
Wrap Up Tackle: 1

Veteran Abilities
Ball Hawk: 15
Clutch: 15
Red Zone Freak: 15
Sure Tackler: 15
Third Down Stopper: 15

Current Bonuses/Penalties
Make tackle chance: +15%
Avoid fake chance: +15%
Deflect ball chance: +15%
Intercept chance: +22.5%
Edited by Galithor on Sep 6, 2012 15:55:53
Edited by Galithor on Sep 6, 2012 15:55:14
 
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Originally posted by Galithor
Here's how I finished up my Casual Pro CB. Good enough to get the Defensive MVP gear in Cas pro for this season. He's been a heck of a ballhawk throughout his career and hasn't missed a tackle yet this season. Jumping is pretty overrated IMO. Would definitely agree with the recommendations of 50str/60tkl in tandem with a tackling VA and +5% tackling gear. CBs that can't tackle hurt alot more than stats show. When they miss, it's almost always results in a huge play by the offense. Hurts way more than a miss by a Dlineman or LB in most cases.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2145383

Dude Ranch (Lv. 79 CB)
Ht/Wt: 6'3", 170lbs

Experience, Skill Points, and Cash
Money: $0
Daily Salary: $11500
Skill Points: 0
Training Points: 0
Bonus Tokens: 0
Veteran Points: 0
Next Level: 0/1000

Attributes
Physical Attributes
Strength: 50
Speed: 150.1 (+53)
Agility: 84.1 (+2)
Jumping: 61.1
Stamina: 61.26
Vision: 98.1 (+7)
Confidence: 48.26

Football Skills
Blocking: 8
Catching: 63.26
Tackling: 63.26
Throwing: 8
Carrying: 8
Kicking: 8
Punting: 8

Special Abilities
Shutdown Corner Abilities
Swat Ball: 5
Sticky Hands: 9
Superior Vision: 9
Smooth Operator: 3
Shutdown Coverage: 9

Speedster Abilities
First Step: 5
Change Direction: 9
Return Specialist: 1
Blitz: 1
Closing Speed: 1

Additional Abilities
Wrap Up Tackle: 1

Veteran Abilities
Ball Hawk: 15
Clutch: 15
Red Zone Freak: 15
Sure Tackler: 15
Third Down Stopper: 15

Current Bonuses/Penalties
Make tackle chance: +15%
Avoid fake chance: +15%
Deflect ball chance: +15%
Intercept chance: +22.5%


Awesome thanks bud!!;funniest forum ever
 
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Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
And no one cares about CB rankings, especially in a crap league like that one.


crap league? Again you show you do not know what you are talking about. The league is Casual Elite. that means unlike regular leagues, there are no Advanced Tactics, or Packages that you can have run in different situations... as such, you cannot set the defense to run certain packages/plays in certain yardage situations or offensive formations, so it is much tougher for a Defensive Dot in a Casual League... so for my dot to be as good as he is in a Casual Elite League appropriate to his age says more about how good he is then it would in a regular league because he MUST be able to perform in any situation... even if the play called by the CPU is not the best for the situation or formation.

 
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Thank you sir Originally posted by einar_90808
crap league? Again you show you do not know what you are talking about. The league is Casual Elite. that means unlike regular leagues, there are no Advanced Tactics, or Packages that you can have run in different situations... as such, you cannot set the defense to run certain packages/plays in certain yardage situations or offensive formations, so it is much tougher for a Defensive Dot in a Casual League... so for my dot to be as good as he is in a Casual Elite League appropriate to his age says more about how good he is then it would in a regular league because he MUST be able to perform in any situation... even if the play called by the CPU is not the best for the situation or formation.



 
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Originally posted by einar_90808
crap league? Again you show you do not know what you are talking about. The league is Casual Elite. that means unlike regular leagues, there are no Advanced Tactics, or Packages that you can have run in different situations... as such, you cannot set the defense to run certain packages/plays in certain yardage situations or offensive formations, so it is much tougher for a Defensive Dot in a Casual League... so for my dot to be as good as he is in a Casual Elite League appropriate to his age says more about how good he is then it would in a regular league because he MUST be able to perform in any situation... even if the play called by the CPU is not the best for the situation or formation.



All CBs except for pure blitzters need to be able to play in all situations. And it's lolcas semi pro. That's a pretty crap league. Don't act like because your DC can't use an AI that it makes the league better.
 
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U think CBs use catch gear.... what do u have to say for yourself? That right there is an insult to mankinds intelligence
 
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19 interceptions in any league isn't bad Imo... wouldn't you agree??

Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
All CBs except for pure blitzters need to be able to play in all situations. And it's lolcas semi pro. That's a pretty crap league. Don't act like because your DC can't use an AI that it makes the league better.


 
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