Warrior General Games

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2394053

bhall has a better built WR also with under 30 strength and jumping
hays23 also posted the strength numbers for DS WRs in some forum

Strength on a Speedster is not needed at all.

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
Can you have successful WRs with less than 48 strength? Of course.

Is it sloppy dotbuilding? Of course.

Unless you WR is never going to block and is at no risk of KLs, its crazy to not softcap strength. I'd be extremely surprise if carrying has twice the weight on KLs when compared to strength (and some experience with 50 str TEs will back that up) so having >48 carrying with <48 strength is sloppy bad dot building.

WR is a position where, more than any other in GLB, there are a shitton of assumptions made about whats viable and whats optimal, without any actual results or solid reasoning behind it.

this is so fail

first off most of these speedsters have 60+ carrying second you are several season behind on WL WR builds

http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4949804&page=10#45898804

there ya go

Originally posted by dss02

this is so fail

first off most of these speedsters have 60+ carrying second you are several season behind on WL WR builds

You really don't seem to understand what I am saying. Currently there are a bunch of top dot builders that don't think WRs should have soft-capped strength and instead should have 68 carrying. These dotbuilders are making mistakes. They still make badass efficient dots with high primary and great ELs so these dots are successful, but they would be more successful if they didn't think carrying was 3x more important than strength for no reason at all.

In general, getting things to the first softcap is one of those "can't go wrong" things, like lvl1 enhancing attributes for training.

Also implying that I am behind understanding what WL WRs look like is lol-rediculous. Honestly the higher catching that you see nowadays is something that I've been a preacher of even before it became more popular. The fact that people have huge str-car gaps, and huge catch-jump gaps is lolretarded though if you look at the decisions you are actually making when deciding where to leave those attributes, and when to put SPs or training into one over the other.

Dotbuilders play fast and loose with assumptions. Hell, they have to to a certain point since bort limits info a fair amount. But some of those assumptions are noticably wrong, and more than any other position, people make bad assumptions about WR building.

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
Originally posted by dss02


this is so fail

first off most of these speedsters have 60+ carrying second you are several season behind on WL WR builds

You really don't seem to understand what I am saying. Currently there are a bunch of top dot builders that don't think WRs should have soft-capped strength and instead should have 68 carrying. These dotbuilders are making mistakes. They still make badass efficient dots with high primary and great ELs so these dots are successful, but they would be more successful if they didn't think carrying was 3x more important than strength for no reason at all.

In general, getting things to the first softcap is one of those "can't go wrong" things, like lvl1 enhancing attributes for training.

Also implying that I am behind understanding what WL WRs look like is lol-rediculous. Honestly the higher catching that you see nowadays is something that I've been a preacher of even before it became more popular. The fact that people have huge str-car gaps, and huge catch-jump gaps is lolretarded though if you look at the decisions you are actually making when deciding where to leave those attributes, and when to put SPs or training into one over the other.

Dotbuilders play fast and loose with assumptions. Hell, they have to to a certain point since bort limits info a fair amount. But some of those assumptions are noticably wrong, and more than any other position, people make bad assumptions about WR building.

something about skinning a cat comes to mind

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
If you read my post I think its reasonably clear that jumping and catching are both referencing the anti-PD roll.
I think if you read your own post, you clearly said "anti-KL roll" and never mentioned PDs. In the future when I politely correct your mistake, just say thank you.

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
I'd be extremely surprise if carrying has twice the weight on KLs when compared to strength
Pretty sure it's more than twice, as I'm not aware that strength plays a significant part at all.

Originally posted by
WR is a position where, more than any other in GLB, there are a shitton of assumptions made about whats viable and whats optimal, without any actual results or solid reasoning behind it.
Like yours about needing high strength? Again, we know that low strength WRs rank among the most productive in the WL the last few seasons. That doesn't mean there's no benefit to going a little higher in strength, but it's a tradeoff in not going so high somewhere else.

#1) You don't know that strength plays a significant part in the anti-KL roll.

#2) Jumping only matters for a WR if a pass is contested or if it's too high.

I want to say thanks to you guys for the info. It seems like this debate won't be settle. So I am going to build a clone WR and Switch build strength up this might give u an idea as too where it should be. Its going to take a few months and I will post a thread. Ignore my current builds as they were experiments.

Ooops, meant anti-PD, I got caught up on the abreviation KL I guess, edited.

Jd you'd be wrong imo. Bring a low str TE into the WL and he'll get decimated. I'm also certain that somewhere along the line bort said strength and carrying are the main ways to stop KLs. I'd had low catching high carrying TEs in WL that got murdered on KLs.

ITT Jd calls 48 strength "high strength"

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
Jd you'd be wrong imo. Bring a low str TE into the WL and he'll get decimated.
Which one of us has been in the WL the last three seasons? And as noted, you've been given numerous examples of very low strength WRs being extremely successful in the WL. You don't know what you're talking about and need to stop.

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
ITT Jd calls 48 strength "high strength"
It's weird how you can't remember your own posts:
Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
I wouldn't mind 60 or 68 strength both for blocking and preventing KLs and helping the catch roll, but 48 is needed, less is dumb.

Wouldn't they have a lot of drops (knocked loose)?

Originally posted by Dub J
Wouldn't they have a lot of drops (knocked loose)?

I find that my high strength and high carrying HBs and FBs get KLs way more often. Partly a factor of who is covering them, partly a factor of what VAs are available.