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Longhornfan1024
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Originally posted by Agent Sugar Rae
lol

Ok.

Your young players are average at best and your old players are about to go into decline. However props on the probable WL title this season.


lol. Your insult is that my current plateau dots are likely going to win a WL title, but they are old?

As for our younger dots, I'd love for you to open your two CBs so that we can compare and I can point out how mine are elite while yours are average to below average. You've made the classic mistake of spending SPs to get a higher EL rather than spending them with the goal of getting the best possible end build.
 
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Yawn.

All of my players will end with 3 full upgraded pieces of aeq.

I will open any dot of mine that is out of the playoffs.

 
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The issue with CBs is that they require balanced builds where several attributes need to be high. The best builds I have seen recently do not have the highest ELs.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2485202

Here is an open CB of around the same level to the ones being discussed in this thread, with a +16 EL. LHF will dissect the build, but it is not great. Low jumping, strength, tackling will make this player a liability if he ever made it to WL.

Now if I built something like a NT based on these building principles, it would be great. But a CB is a different type of animal which is difficult to get right.
 
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Old School (Lv. 60 CB)
Ht/Wt: 6'3", 170lbs

Experience, Skill Points, and Cash
Money: $0
Daily Salary: $1625
Skill Points: 0
Training Points: 2
Bonus Tokens: 4
Veteran Points: 0
Next Level: 550/1000

Attributes
Physical Attributes
Strength: 6
Speed: 135.11 (+39)
Agility: 91.11
Jumping: 79.11
Stamina: 48.17
Vision: 85.11
Confidence: 28.17

Football Skills
Blocking: 8
Catching: 20.17
Tackling: 50.17
Throwing: 8
Carrying: 8
Kicking: 8
Punting: 8

Special Abilities
Shutdown Corner Abilities
Swat Ball: 1
Sticky Hands: 1
Superior Vision: 1
Smooth Operator: 1
Shutdown Coverage: 1

Speedster Abilities
First Step: 0
Change Direction: 0
Return Specialist: 0
Blitz: 0
Closing Speed: 0

Additional Abilities
Wrap Up Tackle: 0
Veteran Abilities
Long Reach: 15
Sure Tackler: 15
Third Down Stopper: 15

Current Bonuses/Penalties
Make tackle chance: +8%
Avoid fake chance: +6%
Deflect ball chance: +13%



I see you got 2 CB the same age. Care to post one?
Edited by Agent Sugar Rae on May 29, 2012 11:14:43
 
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^ I quite like that build actually.

The Strength scares me.
 
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Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
lol. Your insult is that my current plateau dots are likely going to win a WL title, but they are old?

As for our younger dots, I'd love for you to open your two CBs so that we can compare and I can point out how mine are elite while yours are average to below average. You've made the classic mistake of spending SPs to get a higher EL rather than spending them with the goal of getting the best possible end build.




Your superior build does not inspire me. Please point out how ours is so vastly better. The only stat you have that is above mine is tackling.

lol 80 agility and 70 jumping.


LOLOLOLOL
 
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Originally posted by mandyross
^ I quite like that build actually.

The Strength scares me.


I am done multi-training now so there is time to fix that str (and tackling)
 
Longhornfan1024
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Originally posted by mandyross
The issue with CBs is that they require balanced builds where several attributes need to be high. The best builds I have seen recently do not have the highest ELs.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2485202

Here is an open CB of around the same level to the ones being discussed in this thread, with a +16 EL. LHF will dissect the build, but it is not great. Low jumping, strength, tackling will make this player a liability if he ever made it to WL.

Now if I built something like a NT based on these building principles, it would be great. But a CB is a different type of animal which is difficult to get right.


My younger CBs are pretty much always open except during playoffs. But I'll go ahead and post one here. He's sitting on 10 SPs and 44 VPs.

Yes Man XIV: Ima Kill You Fool (Lv. 57 CB)
Ht/Wt: 6'3", 170lbs

Attributes
Physical Attributes
Strength: 32
Speed: 129.48 (+34)
Agility: 86.48 (+6)
Jumping: 73.48
Stamina: 50.84
Vision: 85.48
Confidence: 19.84

Football Skills
Blocking: 8
Catching: 19.84
Tackling: 60.84
Throwing: 8
Carrying: 8
Kicking: 8
Punting: 8

Special Abilities
Shutdown Corner Abilities
Swat Ball: 1
Sticky Hands: 1
Superior Vision: 1
Smooth Operator: 1
Shutdown Coverage: 1

Speedster Abilities
First Step: 0
Change Direction: 0
Return Specialist: 0
Blitz: 0
Closing Speed: 0

Additional Abilities
Wrap Up Tackle: 0
Veteran Abilities

Current Bonuses/Penalties
Make tackle chance: +11%
Deflect ball chance: +14.5%

Though the best route to go for comparison would be to run our end builds and compare those, we can get somewhat of a comparison here. It's also a little difficult since you've already boosted this season. IIRC, the 25 SPs I'll have when I boost will go into strength to take it to the cap. So while your build certainly has high primaries, you've taken them so high through training or SPs that you're really lacking in your secondaries. Strength is the one that sticks out the most. There is absolutely no reason for you to not have already started at least training strength. Any future CB worth its salt in WL will have at least 62 strength. For you to get there will require some inefficient building methods since you took time to train your primaries beyond where they really need to be.

Essentially what you've done with your build compared to mine is you've traded 10 higher base agility, 5 higher base jumping, and 8 higher base confidence for 1 lower base vision, 3 lower base stamina, 21 lower base tackling, and 43 lower base strength. So though your EL might be higher mine will have about 45 more actual points in his attributes.

The key is to balance between pushing your primaries and bringing up your secondaries to needed levels. EL can be someone of a false guide because it causes agents to value pushing their primaries super high at the cost of lower secondaries. But that doesn't actually work in the game. Instead, there has to be balance.
 
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Originally posted by Agent Sugar Rae
I am done multi-training now so there is time to fix that str (and tackling)


You've already stopped multi-training despite only running 3 AEQ? Ouch.
 
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Originally posted by Agent Sugar Rae


Your superior build does not inspire me. Please point out how ours is so vastly better. The only stat you have that is above mine is tackling.

lol 80 agility and 70 jumping.


LOLOLOLOL


This shows a complete misunderstanding of the sim and the value of attributes. With EQ, both of my CBs will end with around 150 speed, 92 agility, and 78-80 jumping. They will also have 70+ tackling, 63 strength, 64 stamina, capped confidence, 10 SV, 8+ SB/FS/CD, 2 pieces of MT% AEQ, and 2 pieces of PD% AEQ. Yours will end up with higher speed/agility/jumping (well maybe not speed), but much lower strength and tackling, less MT%, and likely less SAs.
 
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Originally posted by Longhornfan1024

Though the best route to go for comparison would be to run our end builds and compare those


I can't work out how to end build mine as it's pretty much destroyed already.

Maybe I'll just get him to +17 EL for the record and then retire him
 
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Originally posted by mandyross
I can't work out how to end build mine as it's pretty much destroyed already.

Maybe I'll just get him to +17 EL for the record and then retire him


I'm actually planning on building a 0 AEQ CB just to break the record. It will be a terrible build, but will destroy all previous EL records.
 
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Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
You've already stopped multi-training despite only running 3 AEQ? Ouch.


I will stop at day 200ish.
 
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Originally posted by Agent Sugar Rae
I will stop at day 200ish.


Did you have bad luck shopping or did you fully craft the pieces?
 
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I didnt imply u had too much SPD man, I just said IF he ended with 105(or say something in the 101+range) that u were not going to be able to round him out enough to make him usefull. Its obvious after seeing his build that he doesn't have too much SPD. As far as the overall build goes u guys can fight that one out
 
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