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Outlaw Dogs
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Well to answer the question why would you want to get rid of them, is in fact the reason the minors are unwatchable according to the ALG haters. Everyone builds to maximize the ALG gains and without them everyone would just randomly put points into whatever sounds good, a point in STR here, a point in STA there, two points in Vision here because we don't have to max ALGs.
Originally posted by Outlaw Dogs
Well to answer the question why would you want to get rid of them, is in fact the reason the minors are unwatchable according to the ALG haters. Everyone builds to maximize the ALG gains and without them everyone would just randomly put points into whatever sounds good, a point in STR here, a point in STA there, two points in Vision here because we don't have to max ALGs.
you would still use SP to cap off attributes and run primaries up while training the lower attributes
a big -1, but there's really no chance it will happen anyway so no point in wasting time on it
Well to answer the question why would you want to get rid of them, is in fact the reason the minors are unwatchable according to the ALG haters. Everyone builds to maximize the ALG gains and without them everyone would just randomly put points into whatever sounds good, a point in STR here, a point in STA there, two points in Vision here because we don't have to max ALGs.
you would still use SP to cap off attributes and run primaries up while training the lower attributes
a big -1, but there's really no chance it will happen anyway so no point in wasting time on it
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Originally posted by Outlaw Dogs
Well to answer the question why would you want to get rid of them, is in fact the reason the minors are unwatchable according to the ALG haters. Everyone builds to maximize the ALG gains and without them everyone would just randomly put points into whatever sounds good, a point in STR here, a point in STA there, two points in Vision here because we don't have to max ALGs.
Maybe just do this in casual. Make so people have to spend almost all their SP so that every game from day one is an actual game.
Well to answer the question why would you want to get rid of them, is in fact the reason the minors are unwatchable according to the ALG haters. Everyone builds to maximize the ALG gains and without them everyone would just randomly put points into whatever sounds good, a point in STR here, a point in STA there, two points in Vision here because we don't have to max ALGs.
Maybe just do this in casual. Make so people have to spend almost all their SP so that every game from day one is an actual game.
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Originally posted by Outlaw Dogs
Well to answer the question why would you want to get rid of them, is in fact the reason the minors are unwatchable according to the ALG haters. Everyone builds to maximize the ALG gains and without them everyone would just randomly put points into whatever sounds good, a point in STR here, a point in STA there, two points in Vision here because we don't have to max ALGs.
not really. You're still going to cap then train an attribute.
training right after a cap is worth a lot more then training right before a cap. People would cap an attribute, then train it around again, just like we do now. So people wouldn't be building any different, just builds would be a lot more similar as there would be almost no strategy.
Well to answer the question why would you want to get rid of them, is in fact the reason the minors are unwatchable according to the ALG haters. Everyone builds to maximize the ALG gains and without them everyone would just randomly put points into whatever sounds good, a point in STR here, a point in STA there, two points in Vision here because we don't have to max ALGs.
not really. You're still going to cap then train an attribute.
training right after a cap is worth a lot more then training right before a cap. People would cap an attribute, then train it around again, just like we do now. So people wouldn't be building any different, just builds would be a lot more similar as there would be almost no strategy.
Shrazkil
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If anything we need more ALG's, like some form of ALG on SA's (maybe one tree increases 1 point every 18 levels) .
If anything we need more ALG's, like some form of ALG on SA's (maybe one tree increases 1 point every 18 levels) .
Originally posted by numone
not really. You're still going to cap then train an attribute.
training right after a cap is worth a lot more then training right before a cap. People would cap an attribute, then train it around again, just like we do now. So people wouldn't be building any different, just builds would be a lot more similar as there would be almost no strategy.
agree, -1
not really. You're still going to cap then train an attribute.
training right after a cap is worth a lot more then training right before a cap. People would cap an attribute, then train it around again, just like we do now. So people wouldn't be building any different, just builds would be a lot more similar as there would be almost no strategy.
agree, -1
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Originally posted by Shrazkil
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If anything we need more ALG's, like some form of ALG on SA's (maybe one tree increases 1 point every 18 levels) .
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If anything we need more ALG's, like some form of ALG on SA's (maybe one tree increases 1 point every 18 levels) .
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ALGs is the killer for newbies. I personally understand the system (at least on my newer dots), so it's not just me. It's for the betterment of the game. New players have no clue what the fuck an ALG is for a good amount of time, and have no clue of the nuances of proper building until they are seasons and seasons into the game.
Look at all other successful MMOs. Do you need to spend over 3 months (approx. 2 GLB seasons) learning how to play World of Warcraft, or Starcraft, or Skyrim? The answer is NO! And GLB should be no different if it wishes to move forward and began to once more expand rather than contract as it is at the moment.
Originally posted by numone
not really. You're still going to cap then train an attribute.
training right after a cap is worth a lot more then training right before a cap. People would cap an attribute, then train it around again, just like we do now. So people wouldn't be building any different, just builds would be a lot more similar as there would be almost no strategy.
This is just not true at all. I would definitely not 7-cap speed before capping any other attribute, like you pretty much are forced to do now with speed HBs, WRs, DBs, even some LBs, TEs, and FBs. Some of the stuff may be similar to the ALG system but we would see much, much, much, much more rounded builds in the lower levels that will STILL BE EFFECTIVE later on!! That will be the key to making the game more fun at the lower levels before Pro/WL, without making end builds suffer!
ALGs is the killer for newbies. I personally understand the system (at least on my newer dots), so it's not just me. It's for the betterment of the game. New players have no clue what the fuck an ALG is for a good amount of time, and have no clue of the nuances of proper building until they are seasons and seasons into the game.
Look at all other successful MMOs. Do you need to spend over 3 months (approx. 2 GLB seasons) learning how to play World of Warcraft, or Starcraft, or Skyrim? The answer is NO! And GLB should be no different if it wishes to move forward and began to once more expand rather than contract as it is at the moment.
Originally posted by numone
not really. You're still going to cap then train an attribute.
training right after a cap is worth a lot more then training right before a cap. People would cap an attribute, then train it around again, just like we do now. So people wouldn't be building any different, just builds would be a lot more similar as there would be almost no strategy.
This is just not true at all. I would definitely not 7-cap speed before capping any other attribute, like you pretty much are forced to do now with speed HBs, WRs, DBs, even some LBs, TEs, and FBs. Some of the stuff may be similar to the ALG system but we would see much, much, much, much more rounded builds in the lower levels that will STILL BE EFFECTIVE later on!! That will be the key to making the game more fun at the lower levels before Pro/WL, without making end builds suffer!
Edited by jetsown09 on May 16, 2012 17:26:39
bigtisme
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how many times do we have to repeatedly beat to death why removing ALGs wouldn't make a magic fix.
Originally posted by bigtisme
how many times do we have to repeatedly beat to death why removing ALGs wouldn't make a magic fix.
don't start using logic
that would kill most ideas in this forum and all of yello's
how many times do we have to repeatedly beat to death why removing ALGs wouldn't make a magic fix.
don't start using logic
that would kill most ideas in this forum and all of yello's
Originally posted by Alky
Originally posted by Outlaw Dogs
Well to answer the question why would you want to get rid of them, is in fact the reason the minors are unwatchable according to the ALG haters. Everyone builds to maximize the ALG gains and without them everyone would just randomly put points into whatever sounds good, a point in STR here, a point in STA there, two points in Vision here because we don't have to max ALGs.
Maybe just do this in casual. Make so people have to spend almost all their SP so that every game from day one is an actual game.
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Originally posted by Outlaw Dogs
Well to answer the question why would you want to get rid of them, is in fact the reason the minors are unwatchable according to the ALG haters. Everyone builds to maximize the ALG gains and without them everyone would just randomly put points into whatever sounds good, a point in STR here, a point in STA there, two points in Vision here because we don't have to max ALGs.
Maybe just do this in casual. Make so people have to spend almost all their SP so that every game from day one is an actual game.
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Originally posted by reddogrw
Originally posted by bigtisme
how many times do we have to repeatedly beat to death why removing ALGs wouldn't make a magic fix.
don't start using logic
that would kill most ideas in this forum and all of yello's
easy now you crack on Yello1 and his minions will begin PMing you like they have me. they threaten to have me perma-banned for talking bad about Yello1 so you may be next.
Originally posted by bigtisme
how many times do we have to repeatedly beat to death why removing ALGs wouldn't make a magic fix.
don't start using logic
that would kill most ideas in this forum and all of yello's
easy now you crack on Yello1 and his minions will begin PMing you like they have me. they threaten to have me perma-banned for talking bad about Yello1 so you may be next.
jetsown09
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Originally posted by bigtisme
how many times do we have to repeatedly beat to death why removing ALGs wouldn't make a magic fix.
You're right, it wouldn't be a magic fix. But it'd be a step towards a solution.
how many times do we have to repeatedly beat to death why removing ALGs wouldn't make a magic fix.
You're right, it wouldn't be a magic fix. But it'd be a step towards a solution.
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