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Ali Khaman
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Originally posted by fogie55
+1, screens are too easy but I don't think its as much of a problem as some are claiming


It's not.

You just need to be in a zone to cover the screen. In m2m the defense moves in close to the guys who are going to block them (because at that point they are covering for a pass to them) and then when the screen pass goes out, the blocking receiver locks onto you and ties you up because you're right there. In zone, you are guarding an "area" on the field so when the screen pass goes out, you're not so tight up against the WR and you have a chance to get moving a bit before you start having your contact dice rolls.

Also, at low levels, that same zone defense is the best way to cover outside runs, too. It's a bit counter intuitive, but at rookie and sophomore levels, I hardly ever call outside run defense. I try to match it up so that I'm in short (or even medium) zone for every outside situation (run or screen pass or QB rollout runs, too). They may see a few positive yards, but you don't see nearly as many breakout TD runs and screens if you do this.

I should also point out that m2m would work better on screens if almost every DC didn't tell all their CBs to tighten up their coverage slider in the tactics. The trick to dealing with a screen is to avoid getting locked up with the guy you are covering and getting yourself closer to them is not the way to do that. True, it might help to be closer on regular passing plays, but it hurts on screens and running plays. There is a risk/reward to every tactic setting, though. You have the "balanced" option, and then you have the "this or that" option.

So, my advice is that if you are going up against a team that rushes and/or screen passes a lot - loosen up your CB coverage a bit for that game. If you are against a team that passes down field a lot, then tighten it back up again. Game to game tactics adjustments for players is important for any consistently successful team, IMO - especially on defense and even more so at lower levels.



 
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Originally posted by Ali Khaman
It's not.

You just need to be in a zone to cover the screen. In m2m the defense moves in close to the guys who are going to block them (because at that point they are covering for a pass to them) and then when the screen pass goes out, the blocking receiver locks onto you and ties you up because you're right there. In zone, you are guarding an "area" on the field so when the screen pass goes out, you're not so tight up against the WR and you have a chance to get moving a bit before you start having your contact dice rolls.

Also, at low levels, that same zone defense is the best way to cover outside runs, too. It's a bit counter intuitive, but at rookie and sophomore levels, I hardly ever call outside run defense. I try to match it up so that I'm in short (or even medium) zone for every outside situation (run or screen pass or QB rollout runs, too). They may see a few positive yards, but you don't see nearly as many breakout TD runs and screens if you do this.

I should also point out that m2m would work better on screens if almost every DC didn't tell all their CBs to tighten up their coverage slider in the tactics. The trick to dealing with a screen is to avoid getting locked up with the guy you are covering and getting yourself closer to them is not the way to do that. True, it might help to be closer on regular passing plays, but it hurts on screens and running plays. There is a risk/reward to every tactic setting, though. You have the "balanced" option, and then you have the "this or that" option.

So, my advice is that if you are going up against a team that rushes and/or screen passes a lot - loosen up your CB coverage a bit for that game. If you are against a team that passes down field a lot, then tighten it back up again. Game to game tactics adjustments for players is important for any consistently successful team, IMO - especially on defense and even more so at lower levels.





You have absolutely no idea what youre talking about!!

An outside zone, or even a flat zone is completely USELESS against the screens because the back will just cut back inside every time in between the guard and tackle.

Once again, the screens are rarely ever taken to the outside, so the CB tactic change does nothing

It is a huge problem...
If you want to stop the screens, you can, we're not saying that, but there is NO POSSIBLE WAY to stop the screens without selling out the rest of your defense for it.
In PW, pump fake and slants rule over everything, add that in with screens and there is no way to stop it...

Trust me, it's not like I'm whining either, because my teams have the number 4 and 5 defenses in PW gold
 
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4th and 5th in Pee Wee?
 
Bevo05
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Unless they do something else like improve the running game. Defenses already rule in PW gold playoffs. This is the one thing that creates a "chess" match type of guess work. The defense sells out to stop screen opens up other things. So it becomes a chess match between the cooridinators.........without screens and/or passes to the backs Pee Wee would turn in to who can get the lucky play (special teams returns, defense int return, etc....) since the games would all become 14-10 or so.

The game is only good if there is balance
-400 billion without other adjustments included.....
 
Carl Ellir
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the screen game is sort of overpowered because of other issues with the sim, and not just the screen aspect. I've seen one WR block 3 defensive players all in one screen play which ended up being an 80 yard TD. And its not like one at a time either, all 3 defensive dots were on top of the blocking WR at the same time. There is a problem with defenders running into eachother at the low levels that needs to be adjusted slightly as well. On almost every single play there are defenders running into eachother at some part. Not to mention the whole "defender running out of bounds while chasing down the ball carrier" thing. I've seen that happen quite a few times on screen plays as well.
Its not just screen plays, but a lot of other issues in addition to the screen plays, that make the them so dangerous. Realistically speaking, an outside zone coverage by a LB, Safety, or DE should be enough to cover most screen and outside run plays, but a lot of the time it doesn't work like it is supposed to.
Edited by Carl Ellir on Nov 27, 2011 11:21:14
 
Ali Khaman
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Originally posted by zmj44
You have absolutely no idea what youre talking about!!


Maybe you're right. If it weren't for the fact that none of the teams I'm on have any trouble stopping the screen most of the time, I'd say you're 100% correct.
 
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If my defense was getting burned constantly by screens, I would sell out everything else to stop it. Problem solved.

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Originally posted by zmj44
Oh my god yes, an entire offense in the pee wees is based off a screen pass then another then another then another

It gets annoying and boring

+400 billion


Welcome to the entire game at every level of play.
 
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Originally posted by TenTwo
If my defense was getting burned constantly by screens, I would sell out everything else to stop it. Problem solved.

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Good luck with that.
 
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Major +1.

I think a simple solution would be to stop the over pursuit by the defenders on most screens. This over pursuit seems to stack the defenders on the outside, allowing a cut back by the HB/FB to a mostly empty middle of the field.
 
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Originally posted by Ali Khaman
Maybe you're right. If it weren't for the fact that none of the teams I'm on have any trouble stopping the screen most of the time, I'd say you're 100% correct.


I see you are the DC of Black Death ? I just watched a couple of your games. Your defense is not bad vs screen, not great, but not bad. With all due respect though, I can 100% guarantee your defense would get absolutely torched vs OCs from PeeWee gold.

 
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"Be better" isn't a suggestion.
 
Ali Khaman
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Originally posted by carumba10
I see you are the DC of Black Death ? I just watched a couple of your games. Your defense is not bad vs screen, not great, but not bad. With all due respect though, I can 100% guarantee your defense would get absolutely torched vs OCs from PeeWee gold.



Possibly, but I wouldn't coach the same way. PeeWee teams are built differently. This thread is about screens at low levels, and I've never had a problem stopping them when I was expecting them to come. That's all I'm saying.
 
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