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Originally posted by Reggie Sanders
http://goallineblitz.com/game/roster.pl?team_id=205

The way it is set up now supposedly the CPU players will be as good as your current dots on your team. All you have to do is add a high level dot on Offense and the same on defense and the CPU players will be the same level on human ran teams from what I am seeing. It makes no sense on building dots any longer if this keeps going on.

I was under the impression that CPU players scale to the level of the competition, not to their own team.

Either way, CPU players aren't as good as human players.

Originally posted by Myd
I was under the impression that CPU players scale to the level of the competition, not to their own team.



That is correct.

If you want to make a proper suggestion, OP, you should try this one :- For every CPU player on a human team, the penalty applied to the CPU players increases.
For example, if you've got 2 or 3 CPUs, no big deal, CPU stay as they are. Have 10+. and there's a big penalty applied. Have a full team of them, and it's curb stomping time

doobas™

http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=732

GLB is losing money...not mine, but trust me, something needs to be done.

Originally posted by doobas
Originally posted by Myd

I was under the impression that CPU players scale to the level of the competition, not to their own team.



That is correct.

If you want to make a proper suggestion, OP, you should try this one :- For every CPU player on a human team, the penalty applied to the CPU players increases.
For example, if you've got 2 or 3 CPUs, no big deal, CPU stay as they are. Have 10+. and there's a big penalty applied. Have a full team of them, and it's curb stomping time

doobas™

I like that a whole lot better than just nerfing CPU players into the ground.

CPUs scale to your competition, they aren't as good, but if you have a strong game plan you can still win games vs a weaker game plan.

game plan is king in this game, as it should be

Originally posted by Reggie Sanders
CPU players should not be as good as human owned players. It makes no sense to keep creating dots when all you have to do is create a couple of players and fill the rest as CPU because they will be as good.

1) I agree, CPU player should not be as good as human owned players...BUT where do you set that bar? Some human owned players are REALLY REALLY bad. Does Bort write a script that goes through and looks for the WORST human owned players and then make sure any CPU player at that position is 10% worse than that player? And then just keep running that script each season?

2) I think the CPU players are AVERAGE at best. I won't say that is too high or too low. But against the top teams in a league, they lose games and lose pretty easily. Against the not so good teams, they actually win a few of those. There is more to it than just having CPU players on a roster. You have to get the right CPU players, have to have good OAI and DAI AI's and you have to have some luck. If you just allow GLB to fill your team with whatever they choose, then the CPU teams are really bad.

Either way, I disagree they are overpowered, but I do agree that there are a lot of people who need help building good dots.

Originally posted by Reggie Sanders
http://goallineblitz.com/game/roster.pl?team_id=205

The way it is set up now supposedly the CPU players will be as good as your current dots on your team. All you have to do is add a high level dot on Offense and the same on defense and the CPU players will be the same level on human ran teams from what I am seeing. It makes no sense on building dots any longer if this keeps going on.

I know this team and know the owner...the reason he wins games is because he does one thing and one thing really well. And no one is scouting right now...come playoff time you will see them getting beat. As an example of what a team can do to them if they scout and adjust accordingly:

Same season:
No scouting by me: http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1816983
Scouting and gameplanning for the tourney: http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1817946

He's using the exact same gameplan now he was then...it's REALLY effective if you don't scout and gameplan for him.

Originally posted by gbororats
http://goallineblitz.com/game/stats.pl?league_id=17&conference_id=0

Lets sort this by attempts:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/stats.pl?season=25&league_id=17&conference_id=0&stat=passing&sort=passes&playoffs=0&stat_type=raw

100 more than the next best QB. You give any decent QB 100 more attempts than the next and it's not surprising he has more yards. You have to look at things more objectively than just black and white. Just like the MVP race is absolutely retarded. Put a decent QB on a team, run nothing but passing plays and it's likely he is going to win the MVP simply by sheer numbers, regardless of the fact that their team is 2-14. BY GLB logic he passed for 8k yards and 60 TD's...he's got to be the MVP over the guy who passed for 3k yards, 22 TD's and their team is 16-0 because they actually ran a real offense.

Great post, mwoods.

Originally posted by doobas
That is correct.

If you want to make a proper suggestion, OP, you should try this one :- For every CPU player on a human team, the penalty applied to the CPU players increases.
For example, if you've got 2 or 3 CPUs, no big deal, CPU stay as they are. Have 10+. and there's a big penalty applied. Have a full team of them, and it's curb stomping time

doobas™

I agree with this, if they have a bunch of CPU players it should be a huge penalty.

The player market is horrible right now. If GLB isn't going to contract leagues and sharply reduce the amount of teams then CPUs should be better than they used to be.

Originally posted by mwoods07
Lets sort this by attempts:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/stats.pl?season=25&league_id=17&conference_id=0&stat=passing&sort=passes&playoffs=0&stat_type=raw

100 more than the next best QB. You give any decent QB 100 more attempts than the next and it's not surprising he has more yards. You have to look at things more objectively than just black and white. Just like the MVP race is absolutely retarded. Put a decent QB on a team, run nothing but passing plays and it's likely he is going to win the MVP simply by sheer numbers, regardless of the fact that their team is 2-14. BY GLB logic he passed for 8k yards and 60 TD's...he's got to be the MVP over the guy who passed for 3k yards, 22 TD's and their team is 16-0 because they actually ran a real offense.



That makes sense. I think they should add a huge penalty to the CPU players. I'm on board with them having a -10 reduction penalty from other bad builds. Or instead of the CPU players matching the competition, do the opposite and add a -10 reduction to CPU players with the worse build on the team they face for example. Thanks for the info.

Originally posted by Dub J
The player market is horrible right now. If GLB isn't going to contract leagues and sharply reduce the amount of teams then CPUs should be better than they used to be.

You are missing the point though. A lot of agents will also stop building Dots for the same reason as well. Why waist the money on Flex when you can have a bunch of free players and don't have to waist time on recruiting.

Originally posted by Reggie Sanders
You are missing the point though. A lot of agents will also stop building Dots for the same reason as well. Why waist the money on Flex when you can have a bunch of free players and don't have to waist time on recruiting.

Because CPU teams will never win trophies, will never get to WL. If agents are happy with making the playoffs and losing in the first round of a Competitive or below league, then they may decide to not recruit. However, the big networks will still build farm teams and most player-only agents will still make players because they think it is fun. Agents that like to make dots will continue to make dots (since you can't adopt a CPU as their own). The only people that this will impact are the team owners, and anyone fielding a CPU only team knows they are not going to win it all, so it isn't like making them lose 255-0 is going to suddenly prompt them to recruit a full team. More likely, it will just cause that team to be recycled and cost GLB the flex from those teams being owned.

In the end, I don't really care one way or the other on this issue. I just don't buy that CPUs being competitive enough to warrant someone gameplanning against is costing GLB money.

if a cpu filled team is consistently winning, they probably have some good AIs and the other teams arent taking into account. cpu players still suck in general.

Must....buy....all....CPU....team.....and then....beat....Guppy....with it.

In all seriousness though, if anyone is having trouble beating CPUs, do what you're supposed to do.
Scout what you can and make sure you don't have any poor offensive plays or defensive set-ups in your AI.
I remember the one owner that complained about losing to a CPU and he had a lot of HB draw plays in, that never work.

Originally posted by Reggie Sanders
You are missing the point though. A lot of agents will also stop building Dots for the same reason as well. Why waist the money on Flex when you can have a bunch of free players and don't have to waist time on recruiting.

I'm doubtful that would happen. I think you are missing the point of GLB. You seem to be only looking at the game from a team owner's perspective. The majority of GLB don't own teams and therefore CPU players aren't really an issue.