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and yes it is a shame

Originally posted by JT_HOOD
they need a play in tourney or some shit for pro teams. It's a shame only 1 of us can go, a crying shame, Chronoaug.

Just look at the promotes this season. APL's 2 promotes are 0-20. 0-fucking 20! WEPL 4-15-1. A tie Lux? really?



Yea, some of the teams that promoted to WL this season were some of the worst WL teams i've ever seen.

At least if they condensed the pro teams down a little bit that would make a difference as 4 leagues promoting 16 teams would probably be best. Or if there were 6 leagues promoting 12 teams and then the last 4 spots go to the top 4 out of a 16team tournament between the last 4 WL teams missing the playoffs and last 2 Pro teams out from each league.

I feel it'd be better for pro competition and also make WL better

Originally posted by zero
and yes it is a shame

crying shame, zero

Originally posted by chronoaug
At least if they condensed the pro teams down a little bit that would make a difference as 4 leagues promoting 16 teams would probably be best. Or if there were 6 leagues promoting 12 teams and then the last 4 spots go to the top 4 out of a 16team tournament between the last 4 WL teams missing the playoffs and last 2 Pro teams out from each league.

I feel it'd be better for pro competition and also make WL better

agree 100%

and some of the peeps would become better coordinators

Originally posted by Redass Ranch
Originally posted by chronoaug

At least if they condensed the pro teams down a little bit that would make a difference as 4 leagues promoting 16 teams would probably be best. Or if there were 6 leagues promoting 12 teams and then the last 4 spots go to the top 4 out of a 16team tournament between the last 4 WL teams missing the playoffs and last 2 Pro teams out from each league.

I feel it'd be better for pro competition and also make WL better

agree 100%

and some of the peeps would become better coordinators

Yea, a lot of the low-mid level pro teams would be much better off if they were still in regional pro elite or something like that with more teams on their level. Getting blown out by the top teams where they don't have a prayer and blowing out the bottom few teams with only a few evenly matched games in the middle makes it impossible to get better at coordinating. You either have the dots or you don't and since the competitive games are so few and far between, it's hard to get some consistency. You develop bad habits in Pro how uneven it is

Originally posted by JT_HOOD
Originally posted by zero

and yes it is a shame

crying shame, zero

I'm always crying when on GLB

Originally posted by chronoaug
Yea, a lot of the low-mid level pro teams would be much better off if they were still in regional pro elite or something like that with more teams on their level. Getting blown out by the top teams where they don't have a prayer and blowing out the bottom few teams with only a few evenly matched games in the middle makes it impossible to get better at coordinating. You either have the dots or you don't and since the competitive games are so few and far between, it's hard to get some consistency. You develop bad habits in Pro how uneven it is

They wanted to do pro like they do the elite and competitive leagues, but the perennial pro teams went berserk over the idea so pro will always be lolpro.

Originally posted by Mightyhalo
They wanted to do pro like they do the elite and competitive leagues, but the perennial pro teams went berserk over the idea so pro will always be lolpro.

Must have missed that thread... or is this one, they couldn't find a way to name them with the region name instead of Elite Pro?

Originally posted by Redass Ranch
Must have missed that thread... or is this one, they couldn't find a way to name them with the region name instead of Elite Pro?

They would have still kept the regional names I believe, but they would have sorted similar to elite/competitive.

So there would be lateral promotions, so you couldn't win competitive nat pro #8 and go to WL, you would promote to one of the 3 elite Nat pro leagues first and you would have to do well there to have a chance at a WL promotion.

That way with 3 Elite leagues for example, 4 would from each league would promote to WL(all conference championship teams) which would give us 12, then 4 more floaters from the elite leagues.

But even really good teams cried about it because it would be tougher to make the jump to WL they argued, even though more teams from the elite leagues would move up, and not just the 2 championship teams.

Catch was all for it, but there was a firestorm when it was proposed and then it was shelved quickly.

Now what we have is sometimes 4 great teams in each league that are heads and tails above everyone else, middle tier teams, and then a good amount of teams who have no business up here.

The sad thing is some teams know they won't ever amount to WL talent and for them Pro is the end of the end...why stick around for 5 seasons of plateau if you know you can't make it.

Stack it that way would actually be better for those teams cause at least they still have a chance at something.

Originally posted by stumanroo
The sad thing is some teams know they won't ever amount to WL talent and for them Pro is the end of the end...why stick around for 5 seasons of plateau if you know you can't make it.

Stack it that way would actually be better for those teams cause at least they still have a chance at something.

Yeah that certainly is true. I still think they would have opportunities in the competitive national pro leagues since the real elite teams would be in the top tier national pro league.

Right now they never have a chance, but the door would open a little bit more for those teams in a competitive league. It would also serve as a spot for a young team like mine to enter. I would still be facing high level teams, but not WL like teams like we have in this league.

Seems like a win/win.

I completely agree with you Halo...I have two of my own teams fighting it out at the same age...even in CPL and SLAP I have no chance this season...though I will admit I have won more than I should have.

Originally posted by chronoaug
Yea, a lot of the low-mid level pro teams would be much better off if they were still in regional pro elite or something like that with more teams on their level. Getting blown out by the top teams where they don't have a prayer and blowing out the bottom few teams with only a few evenly matched games in the middle makes it impossible to get better at coordinating. You either have the dots or you don't and since the competitive games are so few and far between, it's hard to get some consistency. You develop bad habits in Pro how uneven it is

I know for the Assault we don't want to waste our time in a low rank league and would rather tough it out up here. Granted this season has been very disappointing and would have probably been more fun in a lower league. Downside is if we cleaned up down there; we would have felt it was a waste of time and would want to be up here.

The big thing about the differences of National Pro and Regional Pro is there are a lot of blow out games for experienced teams and it becomes boring in Regional Pro. So even sucking ass in National Pro for long period of time isn't bad considering if you're an experienced team; you want to be competitive. Even if it means losing time and time again.

Originally posted by Mightyhalo
Originally posted by stumanroo

The sad thing is some teams know they won't ever amount to WL talent and for them Pro is the end of the end...why stick around for 5 seasons of plateau if you know you can't make it.

Stack it that way would actually be better for those teams cause at least they still have a chance at something.

Yeah that certainly is true. I still think they would have opportunities in the competitive national pro leagues since the real elite teams would be in the top tier national pro league.

Right now they never have a chance, but the door would open a little bit more for those teams in a competitive league. It would also serve as a spot for a young team like mine to enter. I would still be facing high level teams, but not WL like teams like we have in this league.

Seems like a win/win.

It's usually because:

- Bad teams want to hang their hat on making Pro despite that meaning nothing now because of them. It just means you didn't gut for 9 seasons
- Mid to High end teams that aren't really good enough for WL but dominate Pro want to get 12-14 wins a season without trying and just casually play GLB and still be winners. It's not a bad thing and i don't blame them but i don't think they should ruin the fun for teams who want to have a competitive league.

Having elite Pro leagues would mean some of the teams in Pro who are used to getting 12-14 wins a season will go to struggling to making the playoffs much like the 15-16 win teams who win Pro now struggle to make WL playoffs. It's tough in a pvp game like GLB because there is always a winner and loser and there isn't a CPU to rack wins up against like in most MMORPGs or online Madden/NCAA dynasties where you play computer teams as well. I think teams who want to just throw a base AI and just kinda relax should be able to but the teams who want more competition should be able to find it without having to play tourneys where people don't really try as much and aren't as fun as league play