Warrior General Games

Originally posted by The Avenger
An attribute gaining from trained every 4 days for an additional 6-7% over normal daily will never be optimal cap building at ANY age of a dots career imo.

It takes over 3 seasons of relaxed training vs. multi-training to earn enough BT for an extra piece of AEQ.

Most positions only require 2 % pieces of AEQ, very few require 4.

If you are quad training an attribute between 81.5 and 90.5 that is 30% enhanced, you earn roughly 1 pt per season or 3 pts over 3 seasons.

In the meantime you are training 3 other attributes.

The training you get from 1 day of training on an attribute 30% enhanced on 4 way multi-train is almost equal to the training gains you get on relaxed for 4 days of training.

What you are looking at is the difference between 6 seasons worth of relaxed training (3 seasons x 2 attributes) vs. the gain you get on the back end of a fourth piece of AEQ.

There are very few positions where the fourth piece of AEQ is worth it.

Gotta agree. Four point training an attribute 81.5 through 90.5 doesn't make much sense. If it was a later attribute like the 3rd ...maybe... but there is always something else to four point train. I don't see where you can waste training a primary for a whole season when that could have been used on a lesser attribute that needs to be brought up.

Then again i'll bet it gets to the same place point wise. Maybe this would even make the builds more balanced in the early and middle seasons. But i'm not sold on the idea. I feel good about my build and expect to have a higher amount of attribute points then most along with 4 pieces of AEQ.

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
It takes over 3 seasons of relaxed training vs. multi-training to earn enough BT for an extra piece of AEQ.

Most positions only require 2 % pieces of AEQ, very few require 4.

If you are quad training an attribute between 81.5 and 90.5 that is 30% enhanced, you earn roughly 1 pt per season or 3 pts over 3 seasons.

In the meantime you are training 3 other attributes.

The training you get from 1 day of training on an attribute 30% enhanced on 4 way multi-train is almost equal to the training gains you get on relaxed for 4 days of training.

What you are looking at is the difference between 6 seasons worth of relaxed training (3 seasons x 2 attributes) vs. the gain you get on the back end of a fourth piece of AEQ.

There are very few positions where the fourth piece of AEQ is worth it.

Except your forgetting one thing, you can also trade just 6 days worth or normal training for 1 SP. Combine that with a guarantee'd 4th +3/+% AE piece, you 4th/5th cap way faster while the ALG's are WAY hotter, and move on to 4th and 5th capping secondary, thirdary, etc before they are level 58! no need to EVER resort to "light" training an entire career to get 4 AE pieces and training an attribute that is 73 on normal for 4% a day only takes 25 days and voila, thats a value of 5 SP's and 50 BT's mid career build....Try to do that training 4 ways......your guy would gain training gains 6 times in those 25 days for 9% gain or just 54% overall and not gain half as many BT's and not get any closer to 5th capping while your build is still levelling with ALG's.

Is thirdary a word?

Originally posted by The Avenger
Both are too slow to get a 140 speed HB...he be gone before ANY TFL imo......

Try to get 140 str/ 110spe/ 80 agi/ 80 tack/ 70 vis NT imho
Someone is actually advocating a 100+ speed DT? Seriously? That's April Fool's shit, right? lolcasual

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2363766

Trust me when i say this is the VERY strongest 16 day old DT currently in GLB. Already saving to the 4th cap...thats right, 4th cap by age 16. I may not even need to use ALL +58 a dot can equip on a single attribute by plateau via 4 full AE pieces and custom becaue his natural will be in the high 90's. DT's only need approx 130 strength to rev cake, so when his speed, agility, tackle are all in the 80's, i could steal about +25 from Equip and mak this DT a 105-110 speed.......

Thats just one example. There is one more thing, but i am not saying anymore because i want to hold at least one card to myself.

I'm also LOLcasual, so what do i know?

Originally posted by jdbolick

Someone is actually advocating a 100+ speed DT? Seriously? That's April Fool's shit, right? lolcasual

Don't knock til you've tried it.

Anyways, i knew it would be you or Ahrens to LOLcasual, thats as old and VERY insecure as it gets.

Originally posted by The Avenger


I'm also LOLcasual, so what do i know?

You beat me too it jdbolickmyazz

Originally posted by The Avenger
Don't knock til you've tried it.

Any i knew it would be you or Ahrens to LOLcasual, thats as old and VERY insecure as it gets.
People keep saying "lolcasual" because everyone thinks that it, and you, are a joke. And I asked if you were bullshitting about the 100+ speed DT because that would be a complete and utter waste of flex. A DT is never unblocked long enough to make use of such a huge investment in speed.

Originally posted by jdbolick

People keep saying "lolcasual" because everyone thinks that it, and you, are a joke. And I asked if you were bullshitting about the 100+ speed DT because that would be a complete and utter waste of flex. A DT is never unblocked long enough to make use of such a huge investment in speed.

speed > agility

you new?

Originally posted by jdbolick

People keep saying "lolcasual" because everyone thinks that it, and you, are a joke.

If that were a true statment then my "BASIC" ai should never EVER< EVER, ever beat regular Ai and regular Pro. No matter if they are 11-5, 5-11, etc

EVER!

Originally posted by The Avenger
Except your forgetting one thing, you can also trade just 6 days worth or normal training for 1 SP.

It cost 7 sp to raise an attribute 1 pt once it gets to 81. That is 42 days worth of sp from normal train. for 1 attribute point, and those BT can't go toward AEQ. And when multi-training attributes between 81-91 you end up training over a couple of times after the 85 cap. One is usually after the 10:1 cap.

You are basically getting 9*.07 or (.63 sp) and (10*.07) or (.7 sp) just for the 1 high level attribute you are training. Now you are talking about blowing all the BT earned in a season from training on normal on 1 attribute point.

If you have a build with 3 very high attributes, you can often work it so that once you are done with your first attribute, your 2nd and 3rd attributes will have periods where both are over the 81 cap and being trained simultaneously. The training value at that point is huge.

I'm building this ST player.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2298558

At level 17 his speed is only 81.5 right now which is a little behind. But I'll catch that up through training. He's sitting on 9 sp, and already has 2 attributes over 32. I'm going to be able to cap tackling at level 18, and cap agility at level 20 by just taking a short break in quad training.

Meanwhile I'll train speed for the rest of this season and the next 3 seasons. That means his end speed will be just as high as if it were at a natural 85.5 right now.

Originally posted by jdbolick

People keep saying "lolcasual" because everyone thinks that it, and you, are a joke. And I asked if you were bullshitting about the 100+ speed DT because that would be a complete and utter waste of flex. A DT is never unblocked long enough to make use of such a huge investment in speed.

Well, I'm going to try a 99 speed DT with my level 49. End build will look something like

Attributes:
strength : 95.81 + 45 = 140.81
speed : 92.31 + 7 = 99.31
agility : 96.91 + 3 = 99.91
jumping : 8
stamina : 57.61
vision : 76.91
confidence : 50.21
blocking : 8
throwing : 8
catching : 8
carrying : 8
tackling : 32.51
kicking : 8
punting : 8

Top SA Tree: 3/11/1/1/1
Bottom SA Tree: | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Additional SA Tree: | 9 | (FS)

+36% BB

But that build is meant to be put in for passing situations only. Either in an NT1 position in a 3-4 or on a defense that normally is in 3-4 but goes to a 4-3 to pass rush (I know backwards from what would normally happen, but I like to try oddball tactics)

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
It cost 7 sp to raise an attribute 1 pt once it gets to 81. That is 42 days worth of sp from normal train. for 1 attribute point, and those BT can't go toward AEQ. And when multi-training attributes between 81-91 you end up training over a couple of times after the 85 cap. One is usually after the 10:1 cap.

You are basically getting 9*.07 or (.63 sp) and (10*.07) or (.7 sp) just for the 1 high level attribute you are training. Now you are talking about blowing all the BT earned in a season from training on normal on 1 attribute point.

If you have a build with 3 very high attributes, you can often work it so that once you are done with your first attribute, your 2nd and 3rd attributes will have periods where both are over the 81 cap and being trained simultaneously. The training value at that point is huge.

I'm building this ST player.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2298558

At level 17 his speed is only 81.5 right now which is a little behind. But I'll catch that up through training. He's sitting on 9 sp, and already has 2 attributes over 32. I'm going to be able to cap tackling at level 18, and cap agility at level 20 by just taking a short break in quad training.

Meanwhile I'll train speed for the rest of this season and the next 3 seasons. That means his end speed will be just as high as if it were at a natural 85.5 right now.

You lose 21 SP's worth on that build by not planning for a 4th piece of AE. My ST'er is currently at 69 natural, 9 levels less, and 56 days younger over all. By day 57 of his career he will be at the exact same natural speed BUT with and end game of +3 more speed, all the while his 2nd best attribute will at least be 2nd capped while all that agility, strength and tackle attributes spread out due to multi training does NOTHING for your build while the ALG's are huge at that level. You have 9 SP's back, thats preety good still, but its not 21 SP's worth of a 4th AE piece gained at the end game if he stayed 81 natural.

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
Well, I'm going to try a 99 speed DT with my level 49. End build will look something like

Attributes:
strength : 95.81 + 45 = 140.81
speed : 92.31 + 7 = 99.31
agility : 96.91 + 3 = 99.91
jumping : 8
stamina : 57.61
vision : 76.91
confidence : 50.21
blocking : 8
throwing : 8
catching : 8
carrying : 8
tackling : 32.51
kicking : 8
punting : 8

Top SA Tree: 3/11/1/1/1
Bottom SA Tree: | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Additional SA Tree: | 9 | (FS)

+36% BB

But that build is meant to be put in for passing situations only. Either in an NT1 position in a 3-4 or on a defense that normally is in 3-4 but goes to a 4-3 to pass rush (I know backwards from what would normally happen, but I like to try oddball tactics)

Thats balls imo. tackling neglected though? I can't see any situation where a DT needs more then 69 vision. Again with a 4th piece he could be a 102 speed and 12% FF

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
Well, I'm going to try a 99 speed DT with my level 49. End build will look something like

Attributes:
strength : 95.81 + 45 = 140.81
speed : 92.31 + 7 = 99.31
agility : 96.91 + 3 = 99.91
jumping : 8
stamina : 57.61
vision : 76.91
confidence : 50.21
blocking : 8
throwing : 8
catching : 8
carrying : 8
tackling : 32.51
kicking : 8
punting : 8

Top SA Tree: 3/11/1/1/1
Bottom SA Tree: | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Additional SA Tree: | 9 | (FS)

+36% BB

But that build is meant to be put in for passing situations only. Either in an NT1 position in a 3-4 or on a defense that normally is in 3-4 but goes to a 4-3 to pass rush (I know backwards from what would normally happen, but I like to try oddball tactics)


Actually, that build you have is waaay better then i first noticed...did you make that up or or use virt builder?

I don't think i can get 3 attributes to the mid 90's natural using my way...