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Originally posted by Gigolo Johnny D
Funny how the Mayans supposedly were able to predict the end of the world, but werent able to redict and prevent the end of their own civilization... I'm just sayin


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Originally posted by Rizyx
perhaps they accepted there fate? being as they were they might have not wanting to alter the plans? just a thought


If you were able to know what and when you and your family were to be killed would you try to change your own destiny or accept your fate and fade to dust?

Originally posted by Deluca0903
There is a few other ancient civilizations from different parts of the world that have predicted it as well.


Im sure there have been, but this is the most popular one at the moment. And if you type in the 9-11 flight numbers and change the font to wing dings you get a premonition... and some of the smoke from the towers looks like the devils face (as if we know what the devil looks like)... and on and on. Im not saying we'll be here forever, Im just saying Im not going to put faith into an extinct civilizations predictions
 
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Originally posted by LordEvil
He did it wrong

USA lost many lives on 9-11-01
Japan has lost more lives on 3-10-11.
add the 2 dates together and you get 12-21-12

amirite?


yes.
 
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Originally posted by Gigolo Johnny D
If you were able to know what and when you and your family were to be killed would you try to change your own destiny or accept your fate and fade to dust?


I think it's more of a dignity thing. I was forced to read the Crucible, and at the end, the main character is locked up for a crime he was only accused of, and was set to be hung if he didn't confess to it. If he confessed, he was free. (Ironic, I know). He originally confessed, and then said fuck it, i'm going down with dignity. In the end, he did have a chance to control his own destiny, and chose to do it the way that most people would.

It's based off a real event too.
 
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The Mayans ended their calendars on that date because that was the last day of their Long Calendar cycle of - IIRC - 5200 years. They didn't start making new calendars, 'cause it wasn't just a matter of putting in an order with the local printers or doing up something on Photoshop (or GIMP) on their PC's. It was a matter of several tens of years spend carving the calendars from stone. No deep significant mystery; just common everyday practicality. Like: "Why no 100 mpg carburators?" "Oh, well, evil conspiracy", etc. No, just "It costs too much." "Costs too much" is more often the correct answer, rather than "Oh, wow, like they knew the world would end" or "Evil rotten bastards".

On topic: Hope your buddies in Japan are okay. Those poor folks took a big hit from "Mother Nature" this time. Hope they get everything working right soon.
Edited by Peshawar on Mar 14, 2011 22:04:52
 
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Originally posted by Time Trial
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12726628

Bigger problem. Japan's nuke plant is unstable. Will this be the event that creates Mothra vs. Godzilla?


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Originally posted by Peshawar
The Mayans ended their calendars on that date because that was the last day of their Long Calendar cycle of - IIRC - 5200 years. They didn't start making new calendars, 'cause it wasn't just a matter of putting in an order with the local printers or doing up something on Photoshop (or GIMP) on their PC's. It was a matter of several tens of years spend carving the calendars from stone. No deep significant mystery; just common everyday practicality. Like: "Why no 100 mpg carburators?" "Oh, well, evil conspiracy", etc. No, just "It costs too much." "Costs too much" is more often the correct answer, rather than "Oh, wow, like they knew the world would end" or "Evil rotten bastards".

On topic: Hope your buddies in Japan are okay. Those poor folks took a big hit from "Mother Nature" this time. Hope they get everything working right soon.


i really dont think this is the case at all? i wouldnt know but i cant imagine it is, being who they were and how they were brought up and everything i imagine they would have take the time to carve everything as it would more than likely been an honour to them to be able to do this for there people?

i think actually aswell they ended there calendar on this day because this is when they said/thought the world would end for this time, i dont know this im just basically saying what i read in the books
 
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Rizyx: There had to be a - pardon, but I may have the dimensions wrong on the physical calendars it's been a while since I read-up on the Maya - but they first had to calculate all of the full, half, quarter (waxing and waning) and new moons for 5200 years, then add in the religiously significant dates which did not fall on one of those but were figured from one of them. This is way before anybody's astronomical tables and even more before anybody's algebra to calculate them. Many man-years of work went into figuring out what the calendar had to look like and there were relatively very few who were qualified to do the work. Then, each calendar was a stone wheel between 3 and 8 feet in diameter, with all that information on them as well as ritual prayers, illustrations of the gods etc all done by hand and without metal tools. Not a bronze age or iron age people, but neolithic - New Stone Age - people. Nothing wrong with that, just that is where they were at, technologically. Wheel sizes evidently varied based upon the political/religious significance of the town/city/temple where it was to be placed. This was a major task, not accomplished perhaps even in one lifetime, being handed on to the next generation of priests and artisans.

Furthermore, in order to believe that they stopped their calendar because the world would/will end on 12 December 2012 would require that the Maya knew this to be true and that in fact it is true. And, furthermore, that the secret of that knowledge - how to figure out when the world ends - was known to a neolithic people but was lost and not rediscovered in the roughly 1200 years since the fall of their civilization. Too many assumptions. Occam's Razor - principle of parsimony - tells us as thinkers that the simpliest hypothesis which explains all the known facts is most likely to be the correct one. Hence, it being simpler to hypothesize that they stopped and didn't re-start is because it was too costly to begin right away and that their civilization lost the technical ability to make more/continue with their calendar system before it was time to make new ones, than it is to hypothesize that they knew the world will end that date, but somehow that knowledge and how to figure that out was lost and not re-discovered since. Why? Because the second hypothesis requires - logically - even more assumptions regarding the existence of "lost secrets of the ancients" sort than does the first hypothesis. For support, I refer you to youtube, search for a song called "It Ain't Necessarily So" and give it a listen. The older versions are better. Consider who is likely to gain fame and money: an academic who claims superior knowledge we have lost for the Maya, or the one whose explanations are more prosaic, and ponder what effect that is likely to have on the content of academic publications. If you consider that to be very low probability, I point toward behavior of the Global Warming alarmists in their attempts to provide "scientific" support for their hypothesis of catastrophic GW caused by CO2. I offer no opinion on the issue, only ask you to look at how the academics have behaved in that debate as support for consideration of the distorting effect of notariety and funding on the content of supposedly "scientific" papers.

Sorry. It's much, much much more romantic, exciting, mysterious and interesting to hold to the second hypothesis than the first, but sad to say, most of the time the prosaic is the accurate hypothesis, not the exciting one.

Just to stay on topic, a little bit, I hope that the radiation release from the reactors in Japan is on the order of Three Mile Island rather than of Chernobyl. The news folks in the U.S. aren't talking about what levels of radiation are present, for whatever reason, but still one may hope that no more misery is inflicted on those folks in Japan than has already occurred.
Edited by Peshawar on Mar 15, 2011 19:56:35
Edited by Peshawar on Mar 15, 2011 19:51:17
Edited by Peshawar on Mar 15, 2011 19:50:42
 
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Originally posted by Peshawar
Rizyx: There had to be a - pardon, but I may have the dimensions wrong on the physical calendars it's been a while since I read-up on the Maya - but they first had to calculate all of the full, half, quarter (waxing and waning) and new moons for 5200 years, then add in the religiously significant dates which did not fall on one of those but were figured from one of them. This is way before anybody's astronomical tables and even more before anybody's algebra to calculate them. Many man-years of work went into figuring out what the calendar had to look like and there were relatively very few who were qualified to do the work. Then, each calendar was a stone wheel between 3 and 8 feet in diameter, with all that information on them as well as ritual prayers, illustrations of the gods etc all done by hand and without metal tools. Not a bronze age or iron age people, but neolithic - New Stone Age - people. Nothing wrong with that, just that is where they were at, technologically. Wheel sizes evidently varied based upon the political/religious significance of the town/city/temple where it was to be placed. This was a major task, not accomplished perhaps even in one lifetime, being handed on to the next generation of priests and artisans.

Furthermore, in order to believe that they stopped their calendar because the world would/will end on 12 December 2012 would require that the Maya knew this to be true and that in fact it is true. And, furthermore, that the secret of that knowledge - how to figure out when the world ends - was known to a neolithic people but was lost and not rediscovered in the roughly 1200 years since the fall of their civilization. Too many assumptions. Occam's Razor - principle of parsimony - tells us as thinkers that the simpliest hypothesis which explains all the known facts is most likely to be the correct one. Hence, it being simpler to hypothesize that they stopped and didn't re-start is because it was too costly to begin right away and that their civilization lost the technical ability to make more/continue with their calendar system before it was time to make new ones, than it is to hypothesize that they knew the world will end that date, but somehow that knowledge and how to figure that out was lost and not re-discovered since. Why? Because the second hypothesis requires - logically - even more assumptions regarding the existence of "lost secrets of the ancients" sort than does the first hypothesis.

Sorry. It's much, much much more romantic, exciting, mysterious and interesting to hold to the second hypothesis than the first, but sad to say, most of the time the prosaic is the accurate hypothesis, not the exciting one.


Dude, Aliens told them to stop with the nonsense and that Earth will falter on 12/21/2012
 
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You're right, LE, I'm just giving the guy a hard time.
 
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Originally posted by Peshawar
You're right, LE, I'm just giving the guy a hard time.


lol its all good man, i like to know what people think on this topic as i dont know the facts (it appears you do lol) so i just have my opinions although it appears i am extremely wrong on the subject but what you said was very insightful, was that all off the top of your head!? impressive if it was!

i heard they were using helicopters to cool the nuclear stations down by dropping water on it or something not sure though
 
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Thank you, sir. They were going to try the choppers dropping water earlier but cancelled; dunno why ... or, more accurately, I don't remember why ... but so far there aren't any radiation casualties at least according to the news.
 
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Im just curious as to what the F*** they were thinking when they decided putting a Nuclear power plant on top of a fault line was ever a good idea!?!?! Honestly, they knew it was there... 8th grade geography teaches where fault lines lay and what occurs when earthquakes happen. (Basically, they push up or cave in, for those who havent made it to 8th grade yet)You mean to tell me out of 128 million citizens, no one was clever enough to say hey, this might not be such a good idea. I know japan needs nuclear power because its to populated to run off any other power source but where my fault lines lay is one thing i would consider in the building process of the power to my country. You build these plants on the other side of japan and this problem doesnt exist. Dont take this the wrong way, its very unfortunate that a natural disaster happened here (earthquake, tsunami) and my thoughts and prayers go out to these individuals and thier families, but what follows is a Man Made Disaster. Just as is the BP oil well ordeal. The japanese citizens need to come together and ask the people in charge Why n How.

Murphys law - "What can happen will happen" ... So plan accordingly
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Originally posted by bthomasowns
Im just curious as to what the F*** they were thinking when they decided putting a Nuclear power plant on top of a fault line was ever a good idea!?!?! Honestly, they knew it was there... 8th grade geography teaches where fault lines lay and what occurs when earthquakes happen. (Basically, they push up or cave in, for those who havent made it to 8th grade yet)You mean to tell me out of 128 million citizens, no one was clever enough to say hey, this might not be such a good idea. I know japan needs nuclear power because its to populated to run off any other power source but where my fault lines lay is one thing i would consider in the building process of the power to my country. You build these plants on the other side of japan and this problem doesnt exist. Dont take this the wrong way, its very unfortunate that a natural disaster happened here (earthquake, tsunami) and my thoughts and prayers go out to these individuals and thier families, but what follows is a Man Made Disaster. Just as is the BP oil well ordeal. The japanese citizens need to come together and ask the people in charge Why n How.

Murphys law - "What can happen will happen" ... So plan accordingly


They may have not had a better place to put them. I used to play command and conquer ages ago and I had a really hard time finding a place to put mine sometimes. Mine always ended up near the water
 
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