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mccollums
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Every season I keep my players names after they retire so I can watch sims and see what builds work better.. and every offseason I'm completely burned out and never do it...lol

A good Pee Wee back is pretty easy to build though.. I've seen them with 65, 75, 85 speed.. different agility.. carrying, vision..strength.... and I've seen a stout defense make them all look ordinary. Most important thing is decent scouting and finding a few run plays that will get you 3-4 yards a carry. I usually have at least 10-12 plays in my run packages though, I usually don't put all my stock in a few plays because if my scouting is off or the DC changes his Ds, the offense is screwed.

i'm hoping my HB for Crackertown this season will be my best yet though.. Cracka Attacka should be a beast at Level 13.
That's saying alot though, cause the DuPrae's can build some bad arse HBs.

 
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I think vision is not necessary for anything other than a scat back or a spin back.
 
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Most importantly when building your HBs is that you keep a FB that has the same or more speed/agility in order to get in front... if you use that extra vision to get speed or agility higher, I think that you are going to overrun your FB (who does need vision to pick up pass/run blocks). In my mind it is something that you train, but not something that you ever SP during a Pee Wee season.

Here are a couple of examples of builds that don't really need vision:

Bruiser http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2092305:

Strength to 61
Speed to 49
Agility or Carrying to 49

Training agility (or carrying), vision, blocking, confidence. (Obviously not exclusively, but if you were to multi-train four, that's what I would end up with by end of season).

Alternative Build:
Normal train Strength until you are ready to spend SP to cap it. Buy SP with BTs.
Normal train Strength until it is at 90+%, switch to speed. Cap strength, then train it over (if you are taking it to 61) or keep training it to until you are almost ready to cap it (in which case you are going to get strength to 90% trained before capping it (if you are taking strength to 68). Switch training to speed at the appropriate time. This build will break tackles, but not likely do much for you until mid season when speed actually gets up there.


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(Obviously taking strength to 68 is going to be better if this isn't a one and done build, and if you don't care about Pee Wee success you should keep going to take strength to the 9:1 cap before really stopping. Also you should switch to multi-train and ignore the part about buying SPs with BTs except in rare circumstances where you need it to cap an attribute.)

There will be times when light training for SPs will be better, and you should consult the script calculations to determine when to make this switch. This build style is advanced and if used incorrectly will result in massive build fail. You then need to make the choice if you want to go carrying to 49 after speed, agility to 49 after speed, or if you want to go with a 61 strength/61 speed build. This is possible through BT spending and training. Obviously this build isn't going to be catching any passes or making much of himself besides plowing through the gut. If you go no agility, I don't reccomend ANY outside rushes where the HB might think about changing directions. If you go with agility, you can bounce some plays to the weak side and make decent plays off tackle, but likely will break three tackles on outside rushes (for a one yard gain) with the speed of most secondaries in Gold.

Some people will put their equipment into speed, others into strength or carrying. Play with it to see what works best for you.

Speed bruiser: http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2092318

Take speed to 61
Take strength or carrying to 49
Take agility to 49.

Alternatively:

Take all four to 49 or swap carrying for catching.

Again, this build doesn't need any vision because you are going to set him to -100 power rushing. He's not going to try and go around defenders, and hopefully he's got what it takes to get you ten yards if he breaks the first tackle. You'll need to go through a training program that makes sense, but I would imagine that this is the type of player that needs to multi-train.

The Normal Balanced Back: http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2092332

Speed to 61
Agility to 49

Train vision, agility, catching, strength.

Depending on how you want to use this back will depend on your focus. If you like screens and short passes, some catching required. If you like medium HB routes, you will need more than that. If you pull your HB in for pass blocking on some plays, obviously you are going to need to train that at some point. I find that HBs don't need a ton of stamina unless they are doing ST duty or you are running a 2 HB system, but obviously you need to factor that in as well. In Pee Wee, this type of back might benefit from stamina in order to break those big gains or to make the big plays in the 4th quarter.

This build likes vision because it has enough agility to get around the slower players on sweeps (those phantom, "why didn't my player even try to make a tackle?" headsctratch kind of plays). Also that vision is useful for picking up blitzes.

The three that I've attached were built (sort of) like the builds that I've described in this writing. Obviously they look different this many seasons later, but I can show some of my retired players end of Pee Wee builds as an example:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1997063
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1997131
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1997236

I think these might have been made prior to the major training changes; but seriously, who can remember?

Anyway... I don't remember my point, but I'm old school and sometimes just like to read myself type.
 
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