Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Worker 3
Originally posted by mhayes

yea but what im talking about with my corner. He would shed is block and be in the backfield before the play fully developed.he would also shed his block and run across the field to make a tackle.

a lot of CBs do that. your CB isnt special in that regard. like rage's CB that he brought up as bing a good run defender. while i question how many HBs he took down on pitches and such, i have no doubt that his CB broke the block on the WR with relative ease. why? CBs usually have 90+ agility.... WRs generally have 75+. CBs have 50+ strength... WRs have strength in the 30's. WRs also usually have little blocking, and CBs have a lot of vision. in short, CBs have a high break block roll as compared to WRs block roll, and even often have the vision to just run around the block.

yea the teams im OC for i tell the WRers to get strength up to help in the run game and they ignore me. so i totally agree.

my level 68 CB has 83 speed, 84 agility, 71 jumping, 81 vision, and catching soft capped. I also have the VA football genius so my vision is actually the highest of all my stats. I also am sitting on 125 speed right now with EQ. I also have an INT piece and SDC piece. I had 11 INTs in AAA last season as lining up mostly in the slot. I was behind 2 CBs who were shutdown corners. I would have to say with a build like this my CB had a nose for the endzone everytime he got the ball. I had 5 TDs and i also had one that i got dragged down at the 1 yard line. I will get back to you next year after my 1st season in SEAPL. Also I have done pretty good with only 38 tackling and the wrap up setting. There are a bunch of VAs out there that help you bring down the ball carriers also. My SA tree looks like this at the moment shutdown tree 22339 speedster tree 2000.

Originally posted by baladsoldierboy
my level 68 CB has 83 speed, 84 agility, 71 jumping, 81 vision, and catching soft capped. I also have the VA football genius so my vision is actually the highest of all my stats. I also am sitting on 125 speed right now with EQ. I also have an INT piece and SDC piece. I had 11 INTs in AAA last season as lining up mostly in the slot. I was behind 2 CBs who were shutdown corners. I would have to say with a build like this my CB had a nose for the endzone everytime he got the ball. I had 5 TDs and i also had one that i got dragged down at the 1 yard line. I will get back to you next year after my 1st season in SEAPL. Also I have done pretty good with only 38 tackling and the wrap up setting. There are a bunch of VAs out there that help you bring down the ball carriers also. My SA tree looks like this at the moment shutdown tree 22339 speedster tree 2000.

well i can tell you this right now... pro is a whole other can of beans. my retired lvl 63 CB (who actually leads all of GLB in pre-decline INTs) had a wonderful season in AAA, getting 17 INTs and 148 PDs. but next season, when he went to pro, he had a much harder time. he was solid on coverage -- didnt give up a single TD, but his only INTs came in games against gut jobs. now your build is obviously better than the build i had... it was my first player, and builds werent as good back then because of limited knowledge of how to build, but that goes for offensive dots as well. im sure you'll do well, but i doubt you will near as many INTs. in my experience, having 2 things will help you get INTs:

1. a good DC who knows what he is doing (like really really knows what he is doing... probably wont find them in pro unless it is a team that is the favorite to win it all)
2.catching... and much more than you have (although this has long been debated)

what would happen if you added a Break tackle piece to a CB? would that help him return more picks to the house?

Originally posted by mhayes
what would happen if you added a Break tackle piece to a CB? would that help him return more picks to the house?

Sure, if you want to waste a piece of AEQ.

Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
Sure, if you want to waste a piece of AEQ.

this. CBs arent going to have a very high break tackle score, and an added % to something that is small, is still going to be small.

just an FYI - tackling is only 1 piece of the make tackle roll. You can increase your ability to make tackles while increasing attributes that help your player in other areas. Agility, Vision, Jumping, and Strength all play a part in the make tackle roll, as well as confidence. The thing is, all of those attributes also help you in pass defense, while tackling doesn't.

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
just an FYI - tackling is only 1 piece of the make tackle roll. You can increase your ability to make tackles while increasing attributes that help your player in other areas. Agility, Vision, Jumping, and Strength all play a part in the make tackle roll, as well as confidence. The thing is, all of those attributes also help you in pass defense, while tackling doesn't.



oh im well aware of that... but the amount that those attributes increase your tackling roll, from what ive seen is fairly marginal, with strength being the exception... but even then, my CB, back in the day, had strength that was even a bit above the norm for CBs back then (part of what i attribute to his INTs... granted, the vast vast vast majority of them werent in pro, but thats another discussion), and even with his soft capped tackling (which again, was probably a bit above average for a CB at the time) still missed more tackles than i would have cared for him to miss. now that offensive builds are better (primarily HBs in this case), CBs will need a higher tackling score to bring them down with consistency. im not sure that sub soft capped tackling will be enough... heck, im not sure ~50 tackling and ~60 strength will be enough. all i know is that i missed 16 tackles in USAPL in s13 (more than i would care for) with 50/50, and in the future, i dont think 50/50, and especially lower than 50/50 (even with higher agility, vision, confidence, and jumping... keep in mind offensive builds are getting better as well) will be able to cut it. am i right? are you right? i dunno, i see merit in your argument (and i also see some CB with attributes like you mentioned, and few missed tackles), but at the same time i see merit in my own (as well as CBs with number such as yours with a fairly high number of missed tackles)... there is a lot of variance in the data as far as i can see. i guess only time will tell.

Originally posted by Worker 3
oh im well aware of that... but the amount that those attributes increase your tackling roll, from what ive seen is fairly marginal, with strength being the exception....

from what I've seen with my defensive players agility helps as much with tackling if not more than strength.

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
from what I've seen with my defensive players agility helps as much with tackling if not more than strength.

I am not sure I would agree with that precisely, but I would agree that having low agility hurts tackling more than having low strength...if you see the difference.

I wouldn't have thought low tackling worked well myself, until I saw how well my CB who was being built as a slot CB worked in the CB #2 spot. I'm currently training tackling on relaxed now, but I'm going to spend the rest of his sp from boosting and what he has from cashing in BT (I figure I can cash in all BT until day 32, but I'll probably stop at day 24) on sp since I only have 3 AEQ upgrades to go once he hits 72.

Attributes
Physical Attributes
Strength: 63.44
Speed: 124.62 (+39)
Agility: 92.62 (+9)
Jumping: 73.62
Stamina: 54.02
Vision: 81.62 (+3)
Confidence: 51.3

Football Skills
Blocking: 8
Catching: 38.02
Tackling: 27.3
Throwing: 8
Carrying: 18.44
Kicking: 8
Punting: 9

Special Abilities
Shutdown Corner Abilities
Swat Ball: 5
Sticky Hands: 3
Superior Vision: 9
Smooth Operator: 2
Shutdown Coverage: 8

Speedster Abilities
First Step: 4
Change Direction: 8
Return Specialist: 0
Blitz: 0
Closing Speed: 0

Additional Abilities
Aura of Intimidation: 0
Veteran Abilities
Ball Hawk: 15
High Jumper: 15
Football Genius: 15
Overtime Killer: 1
Third Down Stopper: 13

dat agility and dat vision have always led to great tackling angles and positioning... hence why DB's with low tackling can typically do pretty well in the tackling dept.

what would you set your CB for man coverage cushion to get more picks? would it be best to have it set at -100 or wud you want it set back a little?

always aggressive, imo... although i cant say im a fan of this season's aggressive

as for how to set the slider. everyone asks this, and no one can give a solid answer. why? because every dot and especially ever DC is different. mess around with the slider and find a good spot. however, i would recommend playing further off. -100 aggressive is just asking to get burned.

@ rage: send osaka a private scrim with that CB, i'm pretty certain he'd miss a ton of tackles...but i could be wrong?

@ worker: -100 / aggressive gets burned about as much as -50 / aggressive from what i've noticed...