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awesome work again stickman

Thanks Stickman!

I'm sorry, I normally don't complain but this has to be a mistake:

A 1-3 team is higher than us? The 3-1 team who BARELY lost to BTB. That's gotta be wrong.

Originally posted by Spudsy2061
I'm sorry, I normally don't complain but this has to be a mistake:

A 1-3 team is higher than us? The 3-1 team who BARELY lost to BTB. That's gotta be wrong.
Same with us.

the only thing i cansee wrong is that wins don't count enough... any win is better than a loss in a given week. a 3-1 team should never be behind a 1-3 squad. i don't care who played who and what the score was. there should maybe be a point per win or something added per win to distinguish between teams..

even the garbage bcs adds a point to the negative per loss. maybe thats the key. you don't have to give points for wins but maybe add a penalty for losses.

i have seen these rankings for 2 seasons and that is the ONLY real issue i could take with them. stat based rankings are cool but they should still be pretty close.

i did not write this to upset you or pile on. i just see so many pissy pants crybabies complaining and thought about how to make it better without sounding like the rest of the complaint crew....

i still appreciate you taking the time to do it, whether you take my advice or not....

Originally posted by Wylo
any win is better than a loss in a given week. a 3-1 team should never be behind a 1-3 squad.


I am going to disagree only because I am pretty sure we are the 1-3 team you are referring too I do feel like we are a top 10 team. We have been having a tuff season, but our 3 losses have been to strong teams. I don't think at this point though we should be ahead of the Pythons or Beer Town though.

Originally posted by zyz101z
Originally posted by Wylo

any win is better than a loss in a given week. a 3-1 team should never be behind a 1-3 squad.


I am going to disagree only because I am pretty sure we are the 1-3 team you are referring too I do feel like we are a top 10 team. We have been having a tuff season, but our 3 losses have been to strong teams. I don't think at this point though we should be ahead of the Pythons or Beer Town though.


BTB is not playing very well yet this season.

Originally posted by Wylo
the only thing i cansee wrong is that wins don't count enough... any win is better than a loss in a given week. a 3-1 team should never be behind a 1-3 squad. i don't care who played who and what the score was. there should maybe be a point per win or something added per win to distinguish between teams..

even the garbage bcs adds a point to the negative per loss. maybe thats the key. you don't have to give points for wins but maybe add a penalty for losses.

i have seen these rankings for 2 seasons and that is the ONLY real issue i could take with them. stat based rankings are cool but they should still be pretty close.

i did not write this to upset you or pile on. i just see so many pissy pants crybabies complaining and thought about how to make it better without sounding like the rest of the complaint crew....

i still appreciate you taking the time to do it, whether you take my advice or not....



I couldn't have said it better myself. I agree with everything you said here, got my support.

Originally posted by zyz101z
Originally posted by Wylo
any win is better than a loss in a given week. a 3-1 team should never be behind a 1-3 squad.I am going to disagree only because I am pretty sure we are the 1-3 team you are referring too I do feel like we are a top 10 team. We have been having a tuff season, but our 3 losses have been to strong teams. I don't think at this point though we should be ahead of the Pythons or Beer Town though.

no sir... i didn't look at team names.... just the numbers... and in my opinion every 3-1 team in the league is better than any 1-3 squad AT THIS MOMENT. i emphasized that to make sure you guys think about it.

when stick or anyone makes a power list it is only for that one "game week". now i have no doubts that your 1-3 squad will be in the playoffs and could do very well so please don't take this as a slight on you guys.

rankings are just that......rankings. to be taken seriously they should have a little something that everyone can see. now some people will always bicker because they are never satisfied. or they're pricks.....lol

and by taken seriously i just mean just credible. not that anything here is too serious. i just enjoy the rankings and think with a tiny tweak they could be pretty much spot on.

let me repeat.........NOT CALLING FOR LARGE SCALE CHANGES...... just maybe a point or half point penalty per loss. if BTB goes to 2-3 and a team that hasn't played a single good team goes to 4-1, that scrubby should be ranked ahead even though most people consider BTB really good. but the fact at the time is that scrub team "A" is better at the time the rankings are released..

obviously i have way too much time to ponder such things...

from what i understand the ranking stickman is doing is for all the games rolled together an is updated game by game. stick is doing a good job at it an i agree if a team takes a lose it should be a point penalty or 2-3 if it is back to back. it would problly even out the power rankings a bit better.

Too much here to respond to with directed quotes....lol

First off, the suggestion of more weight on wins seems reasonable. The fact that I have the stats of the recent games accounting for more than the season long stats may result in rankings that need more weight for wins/loses. I'll look into adjusting the numbers some, ans see what the does.

However, I don't necessarily agree with the statement that any 4-1 squad is necessarily better than any 2-3 squad. With the dramatic differences between the top of the league and the bottom of the league, I think it's entirely possible for that 2-3 team to have played the top 3 teams and lost to them, but beaten the 5th and 6th ranked teams, whereas the 4-1 team has beaten the 29th, 30th, 31st, and 32nd ranked teams, and lost to the 27th ranked team. This is the most extreme example possible, so I don't think this is the case, but it serves to illustrate the idea.

I'm not saying that's what's going on in the rankings right now, because it's probably due to something else in my formula (that may or may not need adjusting), but seeing a 2-3 team above a 4-1 team doesn't necessarily mean that I need to change things. It can be an indicator that something maybe isn't balanced the best, but I don't think it's necessarily a huge flaw either.

I like to think of my rankings as a way to determine who would come out the victor if coaching wasn't such a factor. So, if the teams were coached equally and the game played at a neutral site, the team ranked higher in my rankings would win. The biggest issue with the line of thinking though is that coaching and tactics can play a huge role in this game, which is actually pretty cool. However, because of this, my rankings will never be 100% accurate, but they can give us a general ballpark idea of where teams are performing...and better yet something sensible to argue about/discuss.

I'll look into altering the weight of wins/loses a bit and see what that does, because there probably are teams ranked too low or high, and better accounting for the wins/loses may help straighten that out.

Thanks,
StickMan

stay with me this may be bumpy...

i am agreeing with you for the most part stick. you say the numbers will eventually even out. i am saying the same thing but more towards the good teams rising in the polls rather than just being at the top by stat ranking.

the 4-1 team should be ahead of the 2-3 team early on always, no matter who they play. as the season progresses the 2-3 team will face the weaker teams that the pretender 4-1 team had and vice versa with the 4-1 teams facing the tougher teams. so in theory it will truly even itself out.

it is my thought that with wins, or actually better yet losses penalized getting quantified in the formula, that the better teams will always rise to the top and we would get a closer representation of the actual league standings in the power rankings.

thanks for atleast entertaining my theories stick. you do a great job. sorry if i am complicating it....

atleast you will always have daytona thoughts.......lol

Ugh! Stats, the bane of my existance.

Originally posted by Prince Darius
1. Washginton Capitals - The hottest team in the league deserves the hottest position on the chart. The Capitals come from nothing to be something.

2. Island Shaka Brah's - The 8th seed darlings from last year, become a contender for the 1st seed in the west. But will the honeymoon last?

3. Philadelphia Pythons - team with a bunch of faggots

4. Fremont Warriors - more faggots

5. Boston DrunkN'Disorderly - one old faggot dude

6. Mid Michigan Storm - WHO CARES ABOUT YOU FUCKING JOKES.

7. Team MaddenWars.com - nice promotion skinheads. NOT. i am not going to your website

8. Appalachian Mountaineers - Surprise team last year in the playoffs are off to a good start.

9. Tulsa Teamsters - shitty team from last year had some upgrades in the offseason. blah blah, not going anywhere anyways.

10. Rhode Island Revolutionaries - i guess this is the team that was bought late last season . i guess their off to a good start, but who knows what will happen, the guy who owns it seems like a complete douchebag.

11. Fort Lauderdale Merkins - i mean were getting in the bottom of the pit now

12. Chicago Sirius - garbage

13. Titan Nation - more medicore teams who would be in the playoffs if it started today. West is becoming a shithole for untalented teams.

14. SOUTH GEORGIA GROWL - they won more games this year so far than all of next year. but who cares, they had to change thier name so people would forget about them.

15. Cincinnati Norris Ninjas - a threat in the playoffs and in the regular season. i got respect for them.

16. Hobbs Gerbil Wranglers - what happened? lol

17-32 - Not important to list.


I say we seriously get every person in the BBB4 to send a fucking petition to Bort to have all these fuckers from the Crapitals banned from posting on the boards. Absolutely no one can stand your shit anymore and it's really not some clever fucking thing you're doing, at this point you're just ruining the fucking experience for everyone else with you're constant retarded posting and bullshit.

Thanks again for the stats stickman. However, I guess I don't see how the Norris Ninjas are ranked so low on defense when we are only allowing 7 points per game so far this season and we lead in least defensive plays per game which I would think means our D is stopping other teams faster.