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Originally posted by yello1
Wow thats pretty tricky.

Though I tend to slide the DEs out myself, surprised I did not stumble into doing this on my ownsome.



it's been called "overload blitz" but when the RG moves over to try and block that rolb due to blocking schemes being broken... its an exploit.
 
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It's also the reason they haven't made a peep in the forums
 
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Originally posted by bug03
these are exploit blitzes

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1355666&pbp_id=13446156
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1355666&pbp_id=13446357
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1355666&pbp_id=13445161
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1355666&pbp_id=13447138
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1355666&pbp_id=13447996
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1355666&pbp_id=13448023
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1355666&pbp_id=13448372
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1355666&pbp_id=13448392
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1355666&pbp_id=13448418
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1355666&pbp_id=13446328




And this is why you don't run them in EVERY situation in which they apply
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1355666&pbp_id=13449755
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1355666&pbp_id=13451758


Good Coordinating always wins out.



No bug, that is why you don't set a CB to aggressive in the playoffs. Obviously there are a ton of ROLB/LG/RG bugs and there has been for a few seasons now. They did make the forums. they were being looked in to, they still suck, and nothing has been done. When something like this is found, according to the DPC page, the DPC is to be limited or removed until it is fixed. Personally, I see it as a problem with the G's (both of them) "deciding who to cover" in the sim. Also, some of those plays you posted are not exploits. It's good coverage/blitzing which comes from good scouting and proper planning. I'll give you good coordinating but seriously, trying to take away from the Whores rather than return the compliment is juvenile.

yello - It's not really a secret. The WL is full of similar blitz packages for 3WR sets and many of the teams going WL this season are crushing teams by using it. Do I like it? no. Do I use it? no (I don't run the Whores D). Do I blame people for using it? Absolutely not. It's there, it's known, it's obviously not being corrected.... why get beat by it when you can just plan around it and throw it right back?
Edited by CableJelly on Sep 2, 2010 19:36:51
 
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Whores didn't use it all season... busted it out for the upset game can't really gameplan against that can ya

eventually the auto adjust caught on that the singleback plays were fubar'd. I don't use them because 10 ticks isn't enough to get a pass off no matter what and I don't feel like that's very realistic at all.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1355666&pbp_id=13446156 - 5 ticks of qb vision to wr1
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1355666&pbp_id=13445161 - blocking rules from day 1 of football practice - on, over, inside or out. LT should block the rolb and the rde should be the one left unblocked also glb should learn to zone block
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1355666&pbp_id=13448023 - 6 man blitz... thats a good play call


http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1355666&pbp_id=13446328 - not an exploit? rolb beats the qb to the hb.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1355666&pbp_id=13448418 - absolutely NOTHING non-exploitive about this one. this is the one that has everybody all pissed off.

inb4umadbro?
Edited by bug03 on Sep 2, 2010 22:20:14
 
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Originally posted by CableJelly

No bug, that is why you don't set a CB to aggressive in the playoffs. Obviously there are a ton of ROLB/LG/RG bugs and there has been for a few seasons now. They did make the forums. they were being looked in to, they still suck, and nothing has been done. When something like this is found, according to the DPC page, the DPC is to be limited or removed until it is fixed. Personally, I see it as a problem with the G's (both of them) "deciding who to cover" in the sim. Also, some of those plays you posted are not exploits. It's good coverage/blitzing which comes from good scouting and proper planning. I'll give you good coordinating but seriously, trying to take away from the Whores rather than return the compliment is juvenile.

yello - It's not really a secret. The WL is full of similar blitz packages for 3WR sets and many of the teams going WL this season are crushing teams by using it. Do I like it? no. Do I use it? no (I don't run the Whores D). Do I blame people for using it? Absolutely not. It's there, it's known, it's obviously not being corrected.... why get beat by it when you can just plan around it and throw it right back?


I'm not going to take anything away from the whores, who have a very good team. And turkish knows this.

However, I will say this. When you don't run this singleback blitz all season long, or at least in the tape of games that I watched, then run it in the playoffs against the favorites, well, that's not good gameplanning, or proper scouting. That's specifically using a bug to attempt to gain an advantage.

To be honest, I think the whores, much like Kingman, can give us a real game straight up. But, instead, the whores dc, for whatever reason, decided that it would be more advantageous to them to run the singleback exploit blitz than to put together a gameplan.

Outside of OPL, we've played many teams this season, and each time, save a couple where I didn't have time to properly scout and plan, we gave them the best games we could straight up. Sometimes we won, and other times we got smoked. But, Bug and I talked about singleback blitzes at the start of the season, and made a conscious choice not to use them as they are taking the lazy way out. At least, in my eyes.

And further on that point, not one of those teams we played used that blitz against us (not Nairobi, not cincy, not the blaze, no one).

As it were, it's pretty much a moot point anyhow.

 
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Originally posted by bug03

And this is why you don't run them in EVERY situation in which they apply
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1355666&pbp_id=13449755
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1355666&pbp_id=13451758


Good Coordinating always wins out.


individual tactics fail
 
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Originally posted by Otega

However, I will say this. When you don't run this singleback blitz all season long, or at least in the tape of games that I watched, then run it in the playoffs against the favorites, well, that's not good gameplanning, or proper scouting. That's specifically using a bug to attempt to gain an advantage.


Originally posted by bug03
Whores didn't use it all season... busted it out for the upset game can't really gameplan against that can ya


we didnt change a single thing all season long. our DC got busy in RL and pretty much resigned during the preseason. we ran a shell defense all year long, and it showed against good teams. we brought in a new DC the last week of the season, so we we're always going to benefit from showing you something new

if you wanna call it shady, or improper game planning, thats your thing. didnt matter in the end.

GG
 
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LOL

1 - If you are the favorite and have that much more talent AND have dominated the regular season you have to expect people to try *anything* they can to win. If that includes exploits, it includes exploits. YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME.

2 - Even with all of that they couldn't beat you.

3 - EEA is awesome this year. But tip of the cap to the Whores and turkish for trying to do whatever it takes to win. I would have encouraged my coordinators to try crazy stuff like that as well.

We all know that certain parts of the game are over-powered. Double-stacked % AEQ, catch fake, WR screens, Islam, mentoring overload, etc have all been over powered at one point or another. It is up to the game to fix exploits. You are doing them a favor by pointing them out so they can be fixed. It is an internet game. There is no code of fair play.

 
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Originally posted by CableJelly

yello - It's not really a secret. The WL is full of similar blitz packages for 3WR sets and many of the teams going WL this season are crushing teams by using it. Do I like it? no. Do I use it? no (I don't run the Whores D). Do I blame people for using it? Absolutely not. It's there, it's known, it's obviously not being corrected.... why get beat by it when you can just plan around it and throw it right back?


agreed
 
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How do you game plan against this blitz??? Seems kinda devastatingly effective.

And Islam is haxxoring?

I KNEW It!!!

Only way they could get a Musselman President in the White House!!!!

 
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Originally posted by yello1
How do you game plan against this blitz??? Seems kinda devastatingly effective.

And Islam is haxxoring?

I KNEW It!!!

Only way they could get a Musselman President in the White House!!!!



gameplan around the blitz :
1. Keep te in to block on left side
2. Pass out of 2 wr sets
3. singleback pitch strong
4. ?????
5. Profit
 
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