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Originally posted by John Smashtown
Originally posted by Rage Kinard

Tackling will be 64.8.

Is that enough? I am not doubting, I honestly don't know...but I thought you would want it to finish around 70 at least...



I go much higher with tackling on my DTs, each to their own.

Originally posted by tautology
I go much higher with tackling on my DTs, each to their own.



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The higher the tackling the more you can play a balanced tackling style as you move up.

Originally posted by agoertz
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The higher the tackling the more you can play a balanced tackling style as you move up.

Actually high tackling allows you to make more tackles while being blocked.

IMO, there are 2 ways to go about it.

1. Get your tackling up into the 80's so you can make tackles while being blocked
2. Leave your tackling lower and concentrate on attributes that allow you to break the block so you don't need tackling in the 80s


Personally, I think tackling in the 70's is counter productive because it isn't high enough to make the tackles while being blocked and it means you took away extra sp from areas that would have helped you get off the block in the first place.

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
Originally posted by agoertz

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The higher the tackling the more you can play a balanced tackling style as you move up.

Actually high tackling allows you to make more tackles while being blocked.

IMO, there are 2 ways to go about it.

1. Get your tackling up into the 80's so you can make tackles while being blocked
2. Leave your tackling lower and concentrate on attributes that allow you to break the block so you don't need tackling in the 80s


Personally, I think tackling in the 70's is counter productive because it isn't high enough to make the tackles while being blocked and it means you took away extra sp from areas that would have helped you get off the block in the first place.

Why not take tackling up to 74 and use the VA textbook tackler to cover the other 5?

Originally posted by agoertz
Why not take tackling up to 74 and use the VA textbook tackler to cover the other 5?

because as a DT (esp str DT) there are too many VA's better than TT to use really.

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
Actually high tackling allows you to make more tackles while being blocked.

IMO, there are 2 ways to go about it.

1. Get your tackling up into the 80's so you can make tackles while being blocked
2. Leave your tackling lower and concentrate on attributes that allow you to break the block so you don't need tackling in the 80s


Personally, I think tackling in the 70's is counter productive because it isn't high enough to make the tackles while being blocked and it means you took away extra sp from areas that would have helped you get off the block in the first place.

Agreed.

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
1. Get your tackling up into the 80's so you can make tackles while being blocked

what exactly was your test to support this theory?

Originally posted by monsterkill
what exactly was your test to support this theory?


having players on multiple Pro and WL teams, watching hours of Sims, and seeing how the different DTs are performing.

is it just me or does it seem ridiculous that bort would allow a tackle roll while a player is being blocked? how do you know the tackler was still being blocked and didnt just have a last second broken block

You can always make tackles while being blocked, I think it just reduces your radius and quality. More tackling would help on both accounts.

Originally posted by monsterkill
is it just me or does it seem ridiculous that bort would allow a tackle roll while a player is being blocked? how do you know the tackler was still being blocked and didnt just have a last second broken block

Ive argued this most of my time here...

Originally posted by monsterkill
is it just me or does it seem ridiculous that bort would allow a tackle roll while a player is being blocked? how do you know the tackler was still being blocked and didnt just have a last second broken block

Players make tackles while being blocked IRL. It's not common or easy, but it happens.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vTV1u13118&feature=related - this sack is made while the OL is still engaged in a block on the DL.

It only takes 1 arm to attempt to make a tackle

This is a Bort statement on the GLB wiki QA ... the 2nd question was When does Cut Block fire?.

2) Whenever the blocker is losing and likely to be pancaked soon, he has a chance to use it


"Whenever the blocker is losing"

I've always thought the blocker/defender were in a mini-battle and when the defender makes the tackle while being engaged with the blocker - that the defender was "winning" the blocking battle. I'm thinking the blocking/break block interaction is a series of rolls that determines the quality of the block , not just "I'm blocked" or "breaking the block"

I've never given any thought to higher tackling helping the defender make that tackle while he's engaged with the blocker but it makes sense. Seems like a good question for Bort on the next QA.

To me the problem with tackling is that SYM pretty much kills TFLs. If I hadn't seen so many broken tackles behind the line of scrimmage, I might be more willing to invest in tackling on my dots. For now I'd rather they break the block, get the reverse pancake, miss the tackle to slow the runner down, and let the LBs pick up the tackle.

Originally posted by monsterkill
is it just me or does it seem ridiculous that bort would allow a tackle roll while a player is being blocked? how do you know the tackler was still being blocked and didnt just have a last second broken block

Much as tackles have different quality, blocks seem to have different quality as well. It appears as though you can be either fully engaged (in which case you won't make many tackles) or maybe the o line just has a hand on you, in which case you can often attempt a tackle with reasonable success, if you have high tackling skills (vision helps a lot for that sort of thing btw).