Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
IMO - agility still needs to be at least 95, and 115/115/80 strength/agility/speed DTs can still be productive at the Pro level, although they get eaten up in WL.

I dunno . . . Monowi has had some agility DTs using a bunch of different combinations similar to that at WL (with, obviously, the requisite AEQ/SAs/VA/etc . . .), and pretty much the only combination where they don't suck is high strength. Anything less than 125 seems to be insta-cake, especially in the run game.

Originally posted by SunshineMan89
I dunno . . . Monowi has had some agility DTs using a bunch of different combinations similar to that at WL (with, obviously, the requisite AEQ/SAs/VA/etc . . .), and pretty much the only combination where they don't suck is high strength. Anything less than 125 seems to be insta-cake, especially in the run game.

like I said, the 115/115 guys get eaten up at WL level. They can still be effective in Pro leagues though.

Besides, if a WL DT only has 125 strength, then they should have a whole lot more than 95 agility. A 140 strength DT should have 95+ agility in the WL.

i have a 110/110 DT that's been WL for a few seasons... averages 46 plays/game, and probably gets 'caked 2-5 times a game?

last 6 games, was caked 2, 3, 1, 10, 0, 2. the 10 was bdc's loss to sin city. have to assume some kind of morale sprial?

i dunno. my DT is by no means great. but he's okay. he does have a lot of break block, and more SA's than most DT's I'd think (shed block + strong base + wall + break thru + first step = 42).

if i could do him over, he'd definitely have more strength as noted above. he also only has 2.5 pieces of aeq. the half piece is make tackle %. wish i could have upgraded that more. whatever. he has a lot of flaws. enough regrets for one post.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1295063&pbp_id=9500130 ...Seems like the changes I have n=made are starting to pay off. Check out the clip up above.


I have put up an updated build info/changes I made.

Originally posted by Underdawg08
Originally posted by SunshineMan89

Need to switch all EQ to Strength. Agility DTs suck in the current sim, because no one knows how to use them.



Have fun getting revcaked every single play in WL by the 160 strength centers and 145 strength guards.

Yeah, and the fact that high strength DTs are so good at pass rushing means that there's no point in risking the high agility route.

High strength DTs just get huge numbers of revcakes, both against the run and the pass. There's no point anymore in even trying to build an agility-based or speed-based pass rushing DT.

Originally posted by risico
High strength DTs just get huge numbers of revcakes, both against the run and the pass. There's no point anymore in even trying to build an agility-based or speed-based pass rushing DT.

was there ever a point?

Originally posted by SunshineMan89
Have fun getting revcaked every single play in WL by the 160 strength centers and 145 strength guards.

Ya I know what you mean. It's so easy finding 160 str centers and 145 str guards.

Originally posted by Underdawg08
Ya I know what you mean. It's so easy finding 160 str centers and 145 str guards.

If you want to play at the WL level, you better get used to them. With VAs there are plenty of Cs over 160 strength, and plenty of Gs over 145.

Originally posted by Underdawg08
was there ever a point?

There was a season when high speed and First Step DTs dominated while all others did nearly nothing. Then Bort buffed strength DTs with a few new VAs and it was never worth it ever again.

I think the question here is.....will bort ever bring back the high agility/speed DT's or is that just wishful thinking on my part.

Originally posted by SE49erFan
I think the question here is.....will bort ever bring back the high agility/speed DT's or is that just wishful thinking on my part.

The adjustment to the line to favor STR has been a long time coming. I remember saying something about it in season 7... Don't expect Agility DT's to be worth a crap again for at least 2 seasons. That's assuming he doesn't think he over threw his line, and isn't going to reel it back.

strength DL is only gonna get more valuable imo. with the relative nerf for C's with strength, their advantage there is getting completely axed :\