Warrior General Games

Do you get many knocked loose results?

Originally posted by hoyaboy1

Jumping factors into every catch roll, whereas jump catch only fires on balls that are too high.

Yes, he catches deflections often. And I think catching helps more with that (and preventing the deflections in the first place), especially since his vision is already at 80 due to ball hawk.

I'm not sure you understand the mechanics of catching a pass in GLB.


I am reasonably sure that jump catch helps when fighting for the ball, not just when performing a "jump catch". Hedgehogs had a 75 jumping 80 catching WR who had 10 jump catch that caught 88% of his competitive targets in USAPro a few years back. The jump catch had to be a big part of that imo.

I also would contend that your WR would be better off without the vision/ballhawk. Vision has a negligent part in anti-PD roles, and WR vision checks are so nasty easy to pass. Not to mention, even if you did react to a bad pass, you don't have the spd/agi to effectively adjust anyhow, even if you saw it the instant it leaves the QB's hand...

Doesn't it show up in the pbp when you do a jump catch? I guess it's possible that it helps even when it doesn't show, but I have my doubts.

Re: ball hawk - I agree that it likely isn't hugely helpful . . . I just don't think many VAs are for a WR beyond the obvious ones. I've had the ball hawk discussion on here a bunch of times though. I think that the choice of 5th VA (and even 4th for some) makes a negligible impact unless you are going for HH or HoaC.

As for 100 catching vs. 115 . . . who knows - I never did any testing. I always caught the highest percentage of targets on the team even though I had the least separation, but it is certainly possible that there was some better ratio of catching/jumping/whatever.

Re: knocked loose - I'm too lazy to check, but I'd estimate that 5-6 of his 7 drops over the past 3 seasons were from knocked loose. I forget when possession receiver came into play withe the knocked loose bonus, though.

I'd like to keep him for another season to mess around with some of this stuff, but I need flex to boost a younger dot and I'm not putting more cash into this game on principle.

How about one handed catch? Debating making a true possession WR of my own and figure jump catch/diving catch are worthwhile, but one handed catch seems risky, especially for the investment involved since it's the final SA in the line.

Originally posted by Menamino
How about one handed catch? Debating making a true possession WR of my own and figure jump catch/diving catch are worthwhile, but one handed catch seems risky, especially for the investment involved since it's the final SA in the line.

I wouldn't touch any of those until the possession tree is mentioned in the changes list between season. It seems that the only viable way to build a possession receiver is with raw attributes and catch ball % AEQ. But i can see taking a gamble for 6-7 seasons down the road...

Originally posted by Menamino
How about one handed catch? Debating making a true possession WR of my own and figure jump catch/diving catch are worthwhile, but one handed catch seems risky, especially for the investment involved since it's the final SA in the line.

One Handed Catch is visible in the PBP (not the text)....and it is a rare beast indeed.

The problem with it is that you have very few opportunities to use it. I would avoid it.

I concur with Wise on Jump Catch however...(for high balls at least)

I also think diving catch is worthwhile, but perhaps more for a speedster type.

Originally posted by tautology

One Handed Catch is visible in the PBP (not the text)....and it is a rare beast indeed.


Imo it'd only be visable if the ball is directly to the side out of range. If the ball is high out of range, low out of range, or angled high to the side out of range, you would not see the visable super-powers even if it fires.

I think all the possession abilities are worthwhile for a possession guy. You'll be getting high balls, low balls and out of range balls all the time when your QB dumps them off under pressure. I would imagine the bonus to catching high balls from JC and low balls from DC would have to give you a significantly better chance to catch those balls than raising catching by the equivalent amount SP spent. E.G. at certain point it is better to dump 10 points into one of those SAs then to dump the equivalent 10 points into catching.

interesting build. thanks for opening it and getting some discussion going. always a good thing.

I like it. I have a WR who is looks kinda like this guy, save for some EQ in speed instead of jumping. I'm half convinced to drop the speed for jumping or more catching...

Originally posted by slyraje
I like it. I have a WR who is looks kinda like this guy, save for some EQ in speed instead of jumping. I'm half convinced to drop the speed for jumping or more catching...


like was said earlier, I don't see a point between going at 75 spd or 95 spd. You're not gettin open against any half decent CB at 95 spd anyway, so why not use the SP/EQ more efficiently in stuff that helps you win the catch ball rolls?

Question I have regarding those catch rolls. How important is STR in them? I would have thought little to none but in STR's description for WR's it says it helps you "fight off defenders during catch attempts." Would it be even more efficient to take some of that EQ out of catching and put it into str? I'm starting a possession WR of my own and am debating giving that a shot. But then again, STR isn't even a minor in the poss WR archetype, so how important could it really be?

Originally posted by Menamino
like was said earlier, I don't see a point between going at 75 spd or 95 spd. You're not gettin open against any half decent CB at 95 spd anyway, so why not use the SP/EQ more efficiently in stuff that helps you win the catch ball rolls?

Question I have regarding those catch rolls. How important is STR in them? I would have thought little to none but in STR's description for WR's it says it helps you "fight off defenders during catch attempts." Would it be even more efficient to take some of that EQ out of catching and put it into str? I'm starting a possession WR of my own and am debating giving that a shot. But then again, STR isn't even a minor in the poss WR archetype, so how important could it really be?

I guess it's less about getting open, and more about taking advantage of pump or catch fakes. They are pretty much worthless with 75 spd. Here's an example of why I like it:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1275724&pbp_id=15206682

If it begins to cause my WR's to fail at his job of moving the chains, then I'll gladly switch the EQ.

I'll open his build for a while in case anyone is interested: http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1170713

The strength and SA's will come between now and 72. The jumping won't, though.

Originally posted by slyraje
I guess it's less about getting open, and more about taking advantage of pump or catch fakes. They are pretty much worthless with 75 spd. Here's an example of why I like it:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1275724&pbp_id=15206682

If it begins to cause my WR's to fail at his job of moving the chains, then I'll gladly switch the EQ.

I'll open his build for a while in case anyone is interested: http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1170713

The strength and SA's will come between now and 72. The jumping won't, though.

I like this build. Pretty much what I'm going for with one of my players

Aye it's a solid build but a bit too much carrying and vision imo. I think it'd be better/more efficient to get str soft capped and increase confidence, but u could be doing that next season. I'm starting to think that soft capped confidence might not be enough at top lvl.

Just think of all the agents that are rethinking their approach to building WR"s.