Warrior General Games

Originally posted by
I'm sure fat centers in real life isn't that agile.

Bort has said that physical attributes are relative to height & weight.

Imo, Bull rusher is to blame and it's completely insane to give a player +15% (POST EQUIPMENT) strength on run plays.

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
Imo, Bull rusher is to blame and it's completely insane to give a player +15% (POST EQUIPMENT) strength on run plays.

Would agree, but seeing it on passing plays just as much, if not more, where the center just shrinks to nothing at the snap of the ball. Amost seems that the SAs/VAs the offense have to counter are not providing the expected "balancing" act.

I loaded up my lineman w/ Hands, and 2-3 seasons ago it really worked. You'd see DT win battles early in games but unable to shed blocks later. Now, the Hands SA seems to be almost useless. I realize Bort ahsn't posted code changes to it but something has happened to make it less effective...and it should be a very effective SA when you have Dlineman breaking blocks. It could be a great counter, the more blocks being broken, the more worn down the defender gets....

Its because Centers were nerfed last season. No C's will be good till they are un-nerfed

Originally posted by crave681
interesting,

i just cant help wondering if high agility is the right counter to high agility , instead of high blocking , good vision , Balance SA, Hands , Pummel , confidence and everything else under the kitchen sink

no it isn't. you'll waste your time going down that path.

I think rev. pancaking has a lot to do with weight...

Here is my current build and he even seems to get Rev-Caked more than what I think he should.

Do Not Enter (Lv. 39/48 C)
Ht/Wt: 6'4", 326lbs

Attributes
Physical Attributes
Strength: 123.32 (+29)
Speed: 33
Agility: 75.24 <------------------ I plan on putting 3 more into this and then roll him over.
Stamina: 28.24
Vision: 37.24
Confidence: 33.24

Football Skills
Blocking: 89.32

Special Abilities
Pass Blocking Abilities
Pass Block: 1
Strong Arm: 1
Shock Block: 1
Foundation: 1 <------------ Is this better to have over HANDS or another Hold Block %?
Line General: 4 <------------- I already have aeq for this, currently @ +8 strength, +3 Line General SA

Run Blocking Abilities
Run Block: 5
Get Low: 4
Hands: 2
Cut Block: 0
Pancake: 0

Veteran Abilities <------------- What are good VA's for a Center?
Natural Leader: 5
Stonewall: 10

I currently have this that will be getting leveled up now

Superior Grey Shirt
+2 agility, Hold block chance +5%

As I watch more and more sims this season. I think the key for Cs is confidence. Most seem to stop at 61 because of the fact that a lot of O linemen can sort of get away with this. The problem is that other O lineman can get away with 61 sometimes because the C has lots of line general and is boosting the rest of the lines confidence.

Personally I take my Gs to 74 confidence and my OTs to 68. I bet 68 is probably the minimum for any O lineman and a C might actually need more than the rest since he probably gets no benefit from line general other than helping his teammates.

I could be wrong.

Guards always had higher Confidence in the past because it was a major attribute for ALGs. I'm not sure why a Center wouldn't benefit from his own Line General.

Centers suck ass.
Nearly all plays, they fall down.

I think 200 agility will help

My C is doing alright in SEAPL. But I do agree that most O-linemen are on there backs at the end of most plays

Someone said something about vision. I wouldn't focus on vision for the C, as much as I would agility or confidence. If you have an OT, then vision would be more of an issue.

It's my understanding that having low stamina & low confidence will be a huge factor, even for O linemen w/ 100 + strength. That strength is only as good as the energy level. You can't NOT have your stamina/confidence at the very least soft capped 48. And if your strength/agility/blocking is near 100 or over, then your stamina/confidence should be 2nd capped, at least.

For those guys who aren't putting points into Stonewall, and have low stamina, try putting a couple into second wind. See if that doesn't help your O linemen in the 2nd half of the game. There are so many changes this season, it's hard to keep up with what works now and what doesn't. But, more than once, I've read where stamina and confidence will a more important role in builds this season. I just don't think the answer is more strength or more blocking UNTIL stamina/confidence is increased.

Having a super strong O lineman who's wore out in the 3rd quarter won't do ya any good. One way to tell if it may be stamina related is to see how often he's getting reverse pancaked in the 1st half as compared to the 2nd half. If the 2nd half has many more cakes, then stamina may be a clue, if not, then it could be the ratio of strengthy/agility/blocking.

But, you have to first see when he's getting pancaked the most and go from there.

Originally posted by agentramper
Someone said something about vision. I wouldn't focus on vision for the C, as much as I would agility or confidence. If you have an OT, then vision would be more of an issue.

It's my understanding that having low stamina & low confidence will be a huge factor, even for O linemen w/ 100 + strength. That strength is only as good as the energy level. You can't NOT have your stamina/confidence at the very least soft capped 48. And if your strength/agility/blocking is near 100 or over, then your stamina/confidence should be 2nd capped, at least.

For those guys who aren't putting points into Stonewall, and have low stamina, try putting a couple into second wind. See if that doesn't help your O linemen in the 2nd half of the game. There are so many changes this season, it's hard to keep up with what works now and what doesn't. But, more than once, I've read where stamina and confidence will a more important role in builds this season. I just don't think the answer is more strength or more blocking UNTIL stamina/confidence is increased.

Having a super strong O lineman who's wore out in the 3rd quarter won't do ya any good. One way to tell if it may be stamina related is to see how often he's getting reverse pancaked in the 1st half as compared to the 2nd half. If the 2nd half has many more cakes, then stamina may be a clue, if not, then it could be the ratio of strengthy/agility/blocking.

But, you have to first see when he's getting pancaked the most and go from there.

Umm, it can happen in the first quarter.
Besides, I've watched my teams DT work on other players C and they all fall down all over the place too. THe DT doesn't even have high agility.

It really doesn't matter anymore.

Originally posted by risico
quoting his own irrelevant statement

Because every lineman in the world doesn't shoot for max weight... Unless you're saying being pancakes should happen less often if you weigh less[/].