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yello1
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Originally posted by Firenze
You'd think with 100 speed and agility, he'd have more sacks than that.


I should note that for a good many seasons there I very often used my DEs in run/screen defense out in Flat Zones rather than pass rushing them. And this guy was a back up for much of his career as well.



 
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Originally posted by SAkram
More vision


Yeah, I neglected vision in my early builds.
 
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Originally posted by TheGreatPuma
Not a waste for a normal DE who plays the line. Is a waste for someone who only plays Special Teams. Note my DE has 47 Blocking too.


Ah missed that. Have not really built a dedicated special teamer. I have sometimes trained blocking up late in the game when everything else was unlikely to get trained much more before retirement, speculating that Borts statement that blocking helps break blocks might come into play.
 
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Originally posted by TheGreatPuma
Is a waste for someone who only plays Special Teams. Note my DE has 47 Blocking too.


You think vision is a waste for a special teams DE? Just curious as i am making one at the moment; LV23 right now.

Originally posted by yello1
Definitely better stats. Build closed of course.



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Originally posted by cabz

You think vision is a waste for a special teams DE? Just curious as i am making one at the moment; LV23 right now.


No, but I don't think you need tons; double capped seemed to work well for Spawn, considering the 15 Special teamer modifies it up to almost 70.


He was a pass rusher until level 40, so he's not as good as he could be. For a tackling based STer, if I was building him from scratch speed, strength would be my top 2 attr followed by agility and tackling. Then vision. Sta/Con are tough right now, but remember you have the VA distance runner that helps A LOT with stamina. But I'm unsure how next season's stamina changes will affect him.

ST focused blockers would be built differently, obviously. More like the OLine except with more speed and less sta/vis/con
 
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Originally posted by cabz

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Wow, thats a very impressive build.

Hadn't thought speed that high would be needed over such a short distance. Does he even get topped out running to the QB? Or is that to run down a sweep?
 
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I think the buidl is pretty good but the stats arent that great for his build maybe it is just how he was used though..There is a DE on my team that put up more than half of that players total career sacks in just one season
 
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