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Stixx
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Originally posted by fakie92
what is this all about, of course Maine is great, this team is aiming straight to the Gold league


They just thought that I didn't invite Maine to the tourney
 
peeti
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Red Wings accept...just send a PM who i have to challenge.
 
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Originally posted by peeti
Red Wings accept...just send a PM who i have to challenge.


Waiting for all teams to accept before match-ups are out
 
BengalFish
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Yeah...sign FCA up. I've not turned down a tourney yet.
 
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aww thanks, I'll take that as a compliment coming from you DTD, if anyone says no I'll def do it, I don't see that being likely...

But boy would I love to grab a GM spot on each team to offer as much help as I could on these games !

Go s7!
Edited by EatDaBeaver on Apr 23, 2010 08:32:01
 
Stixx
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Originally posted by BengalFish
Yeah...sign FCA up. I've not turned down a tourney yet.


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Gongadan
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You know, while there's still time to change your mind, you should really reconsider the structure of this thing. The way you have it set up, it appears that it's going to be a round-robin, where one team from each league plays one team from each other league at random. But depending on matchups, seeding could really change the outcomes. If the weakest team from S5 plays the strongest from S7, S7 gets one win. But the other 3 teams from S5 might win, even though if you matched best-to-best S7 would win across the board. One way to "fix" this would be to have the score determined by total PF - total PA, and ignore win-loss. The problem there is that one blowout could change the whole thing (say 3 teams from S1 win 3-0, and 1 team loses 0-70, that would be a huge loss for S1 (-61 PD), even though they won 3 games).

Another option would be to have each league decide seeding before the tourney starts. And then the teams play 1-4 against another league, and the winning league advances, single elimination tournament style. So if 3-4 teams from one league wins, that whole league advances. And if it goes 2-2, there's some sort of tiebreaker, like total PF-PA across all games or something.

Or you could advance individual teams. You could use a system like this: http://www.bracketmaker.com/tmenu.cfm?tid=361313 where you basically sort the teams from each league in order of toughness (A-D) and then put them in the bracket and let it go like a standard tournament. But there's not much point in that sort of tournament, because it essentially duplicates the Silver tourney with a minor restriction that each league enter 4 teams.
Edited by Gongadan on Apr 23, 2010 09:00:29
 
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Originally posted by Gongadan
Another option would be to have each league decide seeding before the tourney starts. And then the teams play 1-4 against another league, and the winning league advances, single elimination tournament style. So if 3-4 teams from one league wins, that whole league advances. And if it goes 2-2, there's some sort of tiebreaker, like total PF-PA across all games or something.


I like this... we will use this
 
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Originally posted by The Greatest DTD
Originally posted by Gongadan

Another option would be to have each league decide seeding before the tourney starts. And then the teams play 1-4 against another league, and the winning league advances, single elimination tournament style. So if 3-4 teams from one league wins, that whole league advances. And if it goes 2-2, there's some sort of tiebreaker, like total PF-PA across all games or something.


I like this... we will use this


I like that idea. I also like having the leagues decide seeding themselves...and I think it would be cool if they could change the seeding each round...add some strategy to it.

I'm still on the fence, but I'm leaning towards playing. If Crib plays, I'm 100% in.
 
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Originally posted by PING72
I like that idea. I also like having the leagues decide seeding themselves...and I think it would be cool if they could change the seeding each round...add some strategy to it.


What exactly do you mean here? Example
 
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Count the Dublin Dragons IN.
 
PING72
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Originally posted by The Greatest DTD
Originally posted by PING72

I like that idea. I also like having the leagues decide seeding themselves...and I think it would be cool if they could change the seeding each round...add some strategy to it.


What exactly do you mean here? Example


Let's say s7 plays s3. Before the round starts, each side PM's a tourney administrator (I'd take guzzdude up on his offer so you don't have to do listen to biased charges) and says which order their top 4 teams will be seeded.

The tourney would always follow the format of: s7 1st vs s3 1st. s7 2nd vs s3 2nd, etc, but the other league doesn't know which order the teams will be in. So after both sides PM the administrator, he releases the match-ups.

So, for example, if a league only has 3 top teams (and 1 weaker team), and they're pretty sure the other league will play their best team at #1, then maybe they put their weakest team at #1...essentially throwing that game, but hoping they can win the other 3 games. BUT, they really don't know which order the other league will put their teams. Not to mention, that could kill them for the point differential tiebreaker if they drop 1/3 of the other games, resulting in a 2-2 tie.

So it is sort of like randomizing which of the 4 teams play each other...but each league has control over how they slot their teams.
Edited by PING72 on Apr 23, 2010 11:32:07
 
Gongadan
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Originally posted by PING72
I like that idea. I also like having the leagues decide seeding themselves...and I think it would be cool if they could change the seeding each round...add some strategy to it.

I was sort of envisioning legitimate 1-4 rankings that would not change as the tournament progressed. I considered suggesting that one of the ranking scripts be used to determine what the 1-4 rankings should be (Mine, Graph, or Griffin's).

On the other hand, it might be fun to try to game the rankings a little, which would add more of a league-team strategy element, so whatever.

One good thing about the league v. league style that we're now considering is that it's 3 games per team max. 4 leagues will be eliminated after round 1, 2 more after round 2, and the third set of games will decide it.

Assuming we go with this new format, I'm in if Dead.Ed is in (S5 can't really be represented without SAS imo).
 
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I thought the team self-seeding each round would be fun b/c I thought it would better demonstrate league depth. Just b/c a league has the best overall team, doesn't make it the best league. For example, I think whoever is s7's 4th team would have a legitimate shot at beating pretty much anybody. If you ran a script right now, FT would likely be 4th...and we've already knocked off other #1 teams like San Antonio & Dirty Inc, but lost to Maine. I think the 4th seed being 2-1 against other league's #1 teams says more than one league's best team beating another league's best team.
 
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Originally posted by PING72
I think the 4th seed being 2-1 against other league's #1 teams says more than one league's best team beating another league's best team.

Sure, but presumably if FT were the legit #4 seed, any of the 1st to 3rd would do at least 2-1 against other leagues' #1s as well.

But like I said, I'm down for whatever. I'm a tennis coach, and seeding issues are a big topic of discussion; stacking seeds to try to pick up wins in the bottom of the bracket is a big no-no for us, but I can see the strategic element.

Oh and btw, my script has you at #3.
 
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