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My problem is that as a member of a gold team, i dont know if i would want to enter a tourney of predominately gold teams...it works against you to play a team thats in gold once to have to play them again...the thing i like about the tourneys is playing the other different teams to try new things and seeing different styles...I would like a World Cup style tournament, but there should be a limit of 2 gold teams per pool...yeah it may be a disadvantage to a copper team to have to play a gold team early, but realistically, thats why there are differnt levels in pee wee, because the gold teams are better...they dont have to enter these open tourneys, and there are more than enough tournaments available to join...just my 2 cents

Originally posted by Gongadan

2) Different seeding to emulate March Madness-style seeding and avoid same-league matchups
A seeding method to avoid teams from the same league playing each other would be to basically assign teams in a round-robin way. Basically, break the 128-team bracket down to 8 16-team sections (I think the vast majority of leagues sent 8 or less teams to the official tourney last season, but we could check). Starting with the Gold league, go around in a circle assigning teams that apply to each section of the bracket (first the west, then the east). Once all gold teams are assigned, start with Silver 1, then Silver 2, then Silver 3, etc. (by doing one conference and then the other, even if you get 9-16 teams from the same league, you shouldn't have any same-conference matchups within the first 4 rounds).

Once you've got all teams assigned to a 16-team section, seed the teams based on previous season's league and record; all of last season's gold teams at the top, then silver, then copper. Within each league type, sort by league winners, then conference winners, then regular season record, then total points allowed for the regular season.

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Originally posted by PING72

What I'd like to see is a set-up of 8 mini-tourneys of 16 teams each (so still 128 teams). The top 2 teams from each (so the sweet 16 teams) qualify for the championship tourney. There the #1 team from pool 1 plays the #2 team from pool 8, etc. Then this tourney would be double-elimination. It's tough to beat a good team once...but having to beat them twice for the trophy would be more rewarding (not to mention the intrigue of a possible 3rd rubber match!).

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Originally posted by Gongadan

The whole point of a tournament (as I see it) is to have the best teams advance and the worst teams make an early exit. Seeding helps with that.

Silver and Copper teams might be able to compete in the official tournament; if they can't, there are always other tournaments, like Halo's, the Silver Tourney, the Copper Tourney, and various others with various requirements that give Copper/Silver teams a chance to win.

Besides, there's always next season for the best of Copper and Silver to work their way up and get the advantage of better seeding.

+1

Originally posted by knope
I love soccer ......................

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Originally posted by knope
Just cause the World Cup is boss

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Sounds like a great idea . Copper and Silver teams will want to join to see how good they really are stacked up against gold teams.

The FTW tourney generated a good amount of interest from copper league teams for this very reason. We've used the NCAA ceding style and it's worked out quite well imo.

I think all of the above ideas are great!

Originally posted by knope
YES!!

I've been wanting one of these tournaments.

I love soccer and most of the tournaments are like this, group play.

3 pts a win, 1 pt a draw, 0 pts a loss. Top 2 move on.

I dig.

Soccer -1

Originally posted by The Greatest DTD
Soccer -1

cool.

eagles -1.

Considering the OP was based off the World Cup, I would say it's contributing something.

There are other pee wee tournies, including an all copper, an all silver, as well as one for non boosting teams. I don't see the need for two official ones. Plus the best teams are in gold so they already play each other. So a tourney with mostly gold teams seems pretty unnecessary.

The cool thing about the official tourney is that there are so many teams, so copper and silver teams get a chance to play top teams and maybe make a name for themselves.

As far as seeding, it seems silly to me to play top teams against each other early just so some average teams can advance a little further. Advancing doesn't really do anything other than stroke your ego if it's against bad teams. You can't play cindarella unless you upset top teams. I know I'd feel a lot cooler getting an upset over a top team than advancing just b/c I got an easy draw. I could play plenty of bad teams in my copper or silver league.

As long as that tourney isn't run by that failure....

Originally posted by PING72
There are other pee wee tournies, including an all copper, an all silver, as well as one for non boosting teams. I don't see the need for two official ones. Plus the best teams are in gold so they already play each other. So a tourney with mostly gold teams seems pretty unnecessary.

The cool thing about the official tourney is that there are so many teams, so copper and silver teams get a chance to play top teams and maybe make a name for themselves.

As far as seeding, it seems silly to me to play top teams against each other early just so some average teams can advance a little further. Advancing doesn't really do anything other than stroke your ego if it's against bad teams. You can't play cindarella unless you upset top teams. I know I'd feel a lot cooler getting an upset over a top team than advancing just b/c I got an easy draw. I could play plenty of bad teams in my copper or silver league.

And I disagree with this. All that really matters in the end is who wins it all, so it doesn't really matter where the top teams are getting knocked out (whether it be 1st round or final four). Advancing far into the tournament as a copper team does give you some confidence.

My brother's copper team is a first year team with questionable builds. We're running a makeshift DAI that Dead.Ed set up in minimal time and an OAI that was transferred from one of my Cap 14 teams. Neither have been touched all season but, due to a weak draw, he was able to advance to the sweet 16 (where Montpelior ripped him another asshole). Because of the fun he had in that tourney, he's decided to return for another season... which is always a good thing.

Originally posted by 1kwerdna
Originally posted by PING72

There are other pee wee tournies, including an all copper, an all silver, as well as one for non boosting teams. I don't see the need for two official ones. Plus the best teams are in gold so they already play each other. So a tourney with mostly gold teams seems pretty unnecessary.

The cool thing about the official tourney is that there are so many teams, so copper and silver teams get a chance to play top teams and maybe make a name for themselves.

As far as seeding, it seems silly to me to play top teams against each other early just so some average teams can advance a little further. Advancing doesn't really do anything other than stroke your ego if it's against bad teams. You can't play cindarella unless you upset top teams. I know I'd feel a lot cooler getting an upset over a top team than advancing just b/c I got an easy draw. I could play plenty of bad teams in my copper or silver league.

And I disagree with this. All that really matters in the end is who wins it all, so it doesn't really matter where the top teams are getting knocked out (whether it be 1st round or final four). Advancing far into the tournament as a copper team does give you some confidence.

My brother's copper team is a first year team with questionable builds. We're running a makeshift DAI that Dead.Ed set up in minimal time and an OAI that was transferred from one of my Cap 14 teams. Neither have been touched all season but, due to a weak draw, he was able to advance to the sweet 16 (where Montpelior ripped him another asshole). Because of the fun he had in that tourney, he's decided to return for another season... which is always a good thing.

So he can get destroyed in a silver league b/c he doesn't give a crap and change his AI?

I don't see the reason to encourage the riff-raff.

Lol I guarantee you he'd go 10-6 at least in an average silver league.

Originally posted by 1kwerdna
Lol I guarantee you he'd go 10-6 at least in an average silver league.

Maybe, but losing by 100+ points to a 4th place silver team doesn't bode well. Granted, that's likely the best 4th place team in PW silver...but I think you know what I mean.

Originally posted by OH-IO
I agree. If you want to see a copper team win a tourney championship, go to the Copper tournament.

I don't WANT any one team in particular to win. I just want to give a fair shake to those other guys. Perhaps I could just offer up an official prize for the Copper and Silver Tourneys, and reduce the field for the official tourney to 64 with the World Cup Style.

How's that sound?

Originally posted by Dead.Ed
I also don't like the forced scheduling that the Official tourney does, as it never takes into account number of games played between 2 teams.

Fair enough, but before I got the forced scrim option we ran into teams scheduling their matches late, or me having to PM them to remind them to schedule. You may be very crisp in your scheduling, but I'm sure you understand that when dealing with 128 teams, there's a 0% chance that you can expect every single game will be scheduled on time during the course of the tourney.

 

However, I can look into the scheduling of early on odd days and late on even days. You may need to remind me next season though. That would help.


Remember guys, I'm just kicking around ideas here. Keep posting feedback and we'll work to come up with something that makes the most possible people happy.

I'd rather the forced scheduling...lets you know when to expect to play a game. Granted the even day teams could get screwed by being a game down, but this could be addressed by the timing of the game...scheduling on your own, for a tournament this large, could present the same scheduling issues, and it would slow down the entire process

Originally posted by Dead.Ed
A tip on scheduling scrim times is, you need to make sure that any scrims scheduled are either very early on odd days, or very late on even days. This will ensure both teams have played the same amount of games.


The stroke of a genius.

I still hate you though "Tournaments."