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WiSeIVIaN
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While I agree that selling mid-season is far from optimal, it is better for those on a team to get freed mid-season than to be trapped on a team which will not longer have the GM effort to be competitive.
Anyone trying to crucify tooley here really doesn't know what they are talking about.
Anyone trying to crucify tooley here really doesn't know what they are talking about.
WiSeIVIaN
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To build on that, as many of us know being an owner is tough business and a ton of work. Furthermore, any good owner (and you tend to get some pretty damn good owners in Pro) feels a sense of responsibility to the players on their team. The vast majority of the guys who are in this league are owners who would never even consider rotting a player, and rather feel a obligation to do as good a job as possible with the dots people trusted to put on the team.
As such, again, you cannot blame tooley for the move. If I was no longer to put forth the effort, there is no way I would feel right about wasting a season of guys who I quite frankly am indebted to.
Owning a team is tough stuff, and no one goes into the season with a plan to sell, but when that burnout point happens, all you can do is make the best move possible.
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As such, again, you cannot blame tooley for the move. If I was no longer to put forth the effort, there is no way I would feel right about wasting a season of guys who I quite frankly am indebted to.
Owning a team is tough stuff, and no one goes into the season with a plan to sell, but when that burnout point happens, all you can do is make the best move possible.
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Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
To build on that, as many of us know being an owner is tough business and a ton of work. Furthermore, any good owner (and you tend to get some pretty damn good owners in Pro) feels a sense of responsibility to the players on their team. The vast majority of the guys who are in this league are owners who would never even consider rotting a player, and rather feel a obligation to do as good a job as possible with the dots people trusted to put on the team.
As such, again, you cannot blame tooley for the move. If I was no longer to put forth the effort, there is no way I would feel right about wasting a season of guys who I quite frankly am indebted to.
Owning a team is tough stuff, and no one goes into the season with a plan to sell, but when that burnout point happens, all you can do is make the best move possible.
/opinion
To build on that, as many of us know being an owner is tough business and a ton of work. Furthermore, any good owner (and you tend to get some pretty damn good owners in Pro) feels a sense of responsibility to the players on their team. The vast majority of the guys who are in this league are owners who would never even consider rotting a player, and rather feel a obligation to do as good a job as possible with the dots people trusted to put on the team.
As such, again, you cannot blame tooley for the move. If I was no longer to put forth the effort, there is no way I would feel right about wasting a season of guys who I quite frankly am indebted to.
Owning a team is tough stuff, and no one goes into the season with a plan to sell, but when that burnout point happens, all you can do is make the best move possible.
/opinion
Dozer Dogmeat
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Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
To build on that, as many of us know being an owner is tough business and a ton of work. Furthermore, any good owner (and you tend to get some pretty damn good owners in Pro) feels a sense of responsibility to the players on their team. The vast majority of the guys who are in this league are owners who would never even consider rotting a player, and rather feel a obligation to do as good a job as possible with the dots people trusted to put on the team.
As such, again, you cannot blame tooley for the move. If I was no longer to put forth the effort, there is no way I would feel right about wasting a season of guys who I quite frankly am indebted to.
Owning a team is tough stuff, and no one goes into the season with a plan to sell, but when that burnout point happens, all you can do is make the best move possible.
/opinion
I get it. It’s a lot of work. I don’t mean to belittle ownership. It should be hard, right? Shouldn’t the pro leagues be hard to compete in? I understand the work involved and respect those successful at it. Heck, I respect those who aren’t successful at it as long as they finish the season.
We are on the same page as to your description of a good owner. You’ve always seemed like good owner. Let me ask you: After you’ve gone through a pre-season, recruited, scouted, assigned responsibilities, communicated with coordinators, passed out eq money, advised people on their builds, experiment in four pre-season games, made adjustments and finally the season begins and you play three games, what would it take for you to hit the vaporize button?
I think you would suck it up and make the best move possible which is to finish what you started, then gut/sell/demote in the off season.
It doesn’t seem like tooleys time has been consumed off line. He just saw that since he had no shot at a championship he wasn’t going to finish.
He’s even trying the magnanimous route describing his “selfless” act.
Come on man, it’s a pretty week sister move.
To build on that, as many of us know being an owner is tough business and a ton of work. Furthermore, any good owner (and you tend to get some pretty damn good owners in Pro) feels a sense of responsibility to the players on their team. The vast majority of the guys who are in this league are owners who would never even consider rotting a player, and rather feel a obligation to do as good a job as possible with the dots people trusted to put on the team.
As such, again, you cannot blame tooley for the move. If I was no longer to put forth the effort, there is no way I would feel right about wasting a season of guys who I quite frankly am indebted to.
Owning a team is tough stuff, and no one goes into the season with a plan to sell, but when that burnout point happens, all you can do is make the best move possible.
/opinion
I get it. It’s a lot of work. I don’t mean to belittle ownership. It should be hard, right? Shouldn’t the pro leagues be hard to compete in? I understand the work involved and respect those successful at it. Heck, I respect those who aren’t successful at it as long as they finish the season.
We are on the same page as to your description of a good owner. You’ve always seemed like good owner. Let me ask you: After you’ve gone through a pre-season, recruited, scouted, assigned responsibilities, communicated with coordinators, passed out eq money, advised people on their builds, experiment in four pre-season games, made adjustments and finally the season begins and you play three games, what would it take for you to hit the vaporize button?
I think you would suck it up and make the best move possible which is to finish what you started, then gut/sell/demote in the off season.
It doesn’t seem like tooleys time has been consumed off line. He just saw that since he had no shot at a championship he wasn’t going to finish.
He’s even trying the magnanimous route describing his “selfless” act.
Come on man, it’s a pretty week sister move.
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Dozer, have you ever owned a team? It is time consuming and takes alot out of you.
I don't agree 100% with Tooley selling the team during the season, he should have done it before the season imo...however if he knew he was done in Week 4 then really would you want to be on a team that didn't plan to gameplan for the rest of the season as a player? Maybe he was fighting the urge to sell the team during the offseason, then saw the changes this season and that pushed him off the ledge.
I don't agree 100% with Tooley selling the team during the season, he should have done it before the season imo...however if he knew he was done in Week 4 then really would you want to be on a team that didn't plan to gameplan for the rest of the season as a player? Maybe he was fighting the urge to sell the team during the offseason, then saw the changes this season and that pushed him off the ledge.
Dozer Dogmeat
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No. I have never owned a team, but I have played on several. All of which have finished the season.
Look, unlike most folks around here, I don’t take those gm offers unless I’m actually doing something. I work for CCIA. I do my part. I scout, recruit, discuss tactics, adjust depth charts. I’m not saying I’m the greatest, but I am saying I know what it’s like to do some mind numbing work in this game.
Again, if your trying to paint me as someone who thinks ownership is easy you are wrong.
I get it. Only the strong survive.
We are in agreement that he should have quit before the season started.
No, I wouldn’t want to be on a team that didn’t game plan.
He didn’t get pushed off the ledge, he jumped.
Look, unlike most folks around here, I don’t take those gm offers unless I’m actually doing something. I work for CCIA. I do my part. I scout, recruit, discuss tactics, adjust depth charts. I’m not saying I’m the greatest, but I am saying I know what it’s like to do some mind numbing work in this game.
Again, if your trying to paint me as someone who thinks ownership is easy you are wrong.
I get it. Only the strong survive.
We are in agreement that he should have quit before the season started.
No, I wouldn’t want to be on a team that didn’t game plan.
He didn’t get pushed off the ledge, he jumped.
seanb1979
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Dozer would rather be part of a team that had no chance at a title than compete on a team that did. Makes sense to me.
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If it's possible, I agree with both Dozer and Wise. Being an owner is tough shit, and I can sympathize with tooley there; but tooley was also already aware that being an owner was tough shit 
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Originally posted by seanb1979
Dozer would rather be part of a team that had no chance at a title than compete on a team that did. Makes sense to me.
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Dozer would rather be part of a team that had no chance at a title than compete on a team that did. Makes sense to me.
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Bladnach
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Dozer. It's a lot different when you help out a team with scouting, recruiting, and talking about the sim and tactics and when the team lives and dies by you being active 2-3 hours every single day.
Honestly don't care when he gutted. He didn't gut before the season because he thought he was going to play through the season at first. As the season wore on and realized he couldn't deal with the sim changes and hit a breaking point he called it quits. He would've just gutted day 40 last season if he didn't intend on playing season 14. Shit happens and people reach a point spurred by perhaps a specific game or issue they have with the sim or real life stuff or realize they spend way too many hours on GLB. Sometimes it's a spur of the moment thing and people just quit
Honestly, who cares. The "spirit" of the game wasn't ruined as there are like 4 teams in each conference who are essentially gutted or with guys way too low level to make an impact that are serving the same as guts (though they do get to beat cpu teams but that doesn't mean anything). I don't see a bunch of threads about those teams. In my opinion that's a lot more selfish than what OTR is doing (turtles, freedom, flying elvis, brokeback)
Honestly don't care when he gutted. He didn't gut before the season because he thought he was going to play through the season at first. As the season wore on and realized he couldn't deal with the sim changes and hit a breaking point he called it quits. He would've just gutted day 40 last season if he didn't intend on playing season 14. Shit happens and people reach a point spurred by perhaps a specific game or issue they have with the sim or real life stuff or realize they spend way too many hours on GLB. Sometimes it's a spur of the moment thing and people just quit
Honestly, who cares. The "spirit" of the game wasn't ruined as there are like 4 teams in each conference who are essentially gutted or with guys way too low level to make an impact that are serving the same as guts (though they do get to beat cpu teams but that doesn't mean anything). I don't see a bunch of threads about those teams. In my opinion that's a lot more selfish than what OTR is doing (turtles, freedom, flying elvis, brokeback)
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Originally posted by chronoaug
Dozer. It's a lot different when you help out a team with scouting, recruiting, and talking about the sim and tactics and when the team lives and dies by you being active 2-3 hours every single day.
Honestly don't care when he gutted. He didn't gut before the season because he thought he was going to play through the season at first. As the season wore on and realized he couldn't deal with the sim changes and hit a breaking point he called it quits. He would've just gutted day 40 last season if he didn't intend on playing season 14. Shit happens and people reach a point spurred by perhaps a specific game or issue they have with the sim or real life stuff or realize they spend way too many hours on GLB. Sometimes it's a spur of the moment thing and people just quit
Honestly, who cares. The "spirit" of the game wasn't ruined as there are like 4 teams in each conference who are essentially gutted or with guys way too low level to make an impact that are serving the same as guts (though they do get to beat cpu teams but that doesn't mean anything). I don't see a bunch of threads about those teams. In my opinion that's a lot more selfish than what OTR is doing (turtles, freedom, flying elvis, brokeback)
Dozer. It's a lot different when you help out a team with scouting, recruiting, and talking about the sim and tactics and when the team lives and dies by you being active 2-3 hours every single day.
Honestly don't care when he gutted. He didn't gut before the season because he thought he was going to play through the season at first. As the season wore on and realized he couldn't deal with the sim changes and hit a breaking point he called it quits. He would've just gutted day 40 last season if he didn't intend on playing season 14. Shit happens and people reach a point spurred by perhaps a specific game or issue they have with the sim or real life stuff or realize they spend way too many hours on GLB. Sometimes it's a spur of the moment thing and people just quit
Honestly, who cares. The "spirit" of the game wasn't ruined as there are like 4 teams in each conference who are essentially gutted or with guys way too low level to make an impact that are serving the same as guts (though they do get to beat cpu teams but that doesn't mean anything). I don't see a bunch of threads about those teams. In my opinion that's a lot more selfish than what OTR is doing (turtles, freedom, flying elvis, brokeback)
Dozer Dogmeat
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Originally posted by seanb1979
Dozer would rather be part of a team that had no chance at a title than compete on a team that did. Makes sense to me.
Sorry I confused you. If I had my choice, I'd rather win a title as opposed to coming in second or lower.
Not sure I'm following you here bud. I'm not looking at making a choice like you are posing. I'm sticking with the team I'm on win or lose. It sounds like you are suggesting that if you aren't sure you can win it all you should quit and find another team.
Dozer would rather be part of a team that had no chance at a title than compete on a team that did. Makes sense to me.
Sorry I confused you. If I had my choice, I'd rather win a title as opposed to coming in second or lower.
Not sure I'm following you here bud. I'm not looking at making a choice like you are posing. I'm sticking with the team I'm on win or lose. It sounds like you are suggesting that if you aren't sure you can win it all you should quit and find another team.
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Originally posted by Dozer Dogmeat
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It doesn’t seem like tooleys time has been consumed off line.
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It doesn’t seem like tooleys time has been consumed off line.
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Who gives a shit if it's selfish or not. It's his team, he payed for it w/ his cash, he can prop it up and spank to it for all I care.
An old biker I used to know had a saying... " It's my cat, I'm fucking it, and ain't nobody holding its head!"
An old biker I used to know had a saying... " It's my cat, I'm fucking it, and ain't nobody holding its head!"
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