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having only had a Head Fake piece, i wanted to go back and see if my CB returner had any triggers of it. This might fall into it, but it is sketchy.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1009387&pbp_id=2658126

now that im reviewing my returns, there might be a few others. i found this other clip to review.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1051117&pbp_id=9850646

here's another one, maybe. the missed tackle isnt from the small dot.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1051129&pbp_id=15996956

and maybe this one. be sure and see got the tackle versus who the small dot was.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1051129&pbp_id=16002294

also:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1095704&pbp_id=19346832
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1095704&pbp_id=19350636

Originally posted by The Fromunda Cheeseheads
hey Mysterio, the argument is that CBs arent triggering it.

Actually, it's for everyone this past season

I could find two, but they were pretty tough to find....seems like less than last year?

LS & P get faked:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1084927&pbp_id=17902238

1 guy here:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1005814&pbp_id=3174395

In general returns were not very elusive this year for me, and I wonder if that might be part of the problem. My guy seemed happy to try to run at a very narrow angle when there was quite a bit of room down the sideline. The season before he was elusive to the point where he might run OB trying to avoid being tackled.

Edit: I only had HF at this time.

why did my posts get deleted?

Originally posted by The Fromunda Cheeseheads
now that im reviewing my returns, there might be a few others. i found this other clip to review.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1051117&pbp_id=9850646

here's another one, maybe. the missed tackle isnt from the small dot.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1051129&pbp_id=15996956

and maybe this one. be sure and see got the tackle versus who the small dot was.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1051129&pbp_id=16002294

also:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1095704&pbp_id=19346832
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1095704&pbp_id=19350636


Hey wow, yea, I think those may finally be some jukes. The first link isn't, but all the others involve a guy falling down while the sim doesn't register the missed tackle, so yea I'd say those are jukes. You're the only person, besides ChicagoTRS, to finally show me dots falling under their own weight. From last season too no less, so that's a bonus.

Well regardless, that still begs the question is it worth keeping an SA that rarely seems to trigger, because I know my CB had +10 in it with max Return Spec, Clever Instincts, and Quick Feet with 80'ish agi and 60'ish vis and never seemed to trigger it. He was also in AAA, not Pro.

Do you know what the CB's build looked like?

Originally posted by whoshotjr
I could find two, but they were pretty tough to find....seems like less than last year?

LS & P get faked:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1084927&pbp_id=17902238

1 guy here:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1005814&pbp_id=3174395

In general returns were not very elusive this year for me, and I wonder if that might be part of the problem. My guy seemed happy to try to run at a very narrow angle when there was quite a bit of room down the sideline. The season before he was elusive to the point where he might run OB trying to avoid being tackled.

Edit: I only had HF at this time.
The first replay is private, so I can't see that, but the second one looks like a dot falling under his own weight, so yea I'd say that's a winner . If your guy only had Head Fake though, then perhaps what I was seeing from Fromunda were head fakes and not jukes? Perhaps Head Fake works and Juke doesn't, which would be odd.

Oh well, I'm just happy I finally found some replays of dots falling. It wont convince me to reapply the SA's, but something is better than nothing. Thanks guys.

yeah, my guy only had head fake, but no juke (it was in the post above my list of 'jukes'). but the descriptions seem like they are the same triggers because the SA says Juke is 'more effective' than HF. probably a poor assumption, but an assumption nonetheless.

i was in the bugs forums and posted about it never triggering, and they moved it to the QA moderators to look at. I think they will investigate why it never triggers for CBs specifically. hopefully a change may be coming. and i'd like them to allow a one time bonus SA switch if enough complain.

Originally posted by The Fromunda Cheeseheads
yeah, my guy only had head fake, but no juke (it was in the post above my list of 'jukes'). but the descriptions seem like they are the same triggers because the SA says Juke is 'more effective' than HF. probably a poor assumption, but an assumption nonetheless.

i was in the bugs forums and posted about it never triggering, and they moved it to the QA moderators to look at. I think they will investigate why it never triggers for CBs specifically. hopefully a change may be coming. and i'd like them to allow a one time bonus SA switch if enough complain.
Yea and while they're at it, they should pay me $2,000,000 in equipment funds . I honestly hope they dont fix it. I've long since reached the point of no return.

That's interesting though that you only had Head Fake, just as whoshotjr did. So it seems Head Fake works well, but Juke is broken? So perhaps in the rare replays I've seen, what I witnessed wasn't a Juke at all, but rather just Head Fakes. Makes no sense though, since description-wise, Juke should be better, but oh well.

Take this for what it's worth - first, it's a 255-0 blowout scrimmage where my team severely out-leveled the other team, second, it's the punter, and third, it's late in the game so their entire team already has no morale and no energy left.

BUT, it looks like I do juke the punter: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1103177&pbp_id=1349617

He falls down and it's not a missed tackle, and he was directly in front of me when he fell down.

Originally posted by DMeide
Take this for what it's worth - first, it's a 255-0 blowout scrimmage where my team severely out-leveled the other team, second, it's the punter, and third, it's late in the game so their entire team already has no morale and no energy left.

BUT, it looks like I do juke the punter: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1103177&pbp_id=1349617

He falls down and it's not a missed tackle, and he was directly in front of me when he fell down.
Does your guy have Head Fake? It seems like that's the common occurrence is that all the "jukes" we are seeing arent jukes at all, but rather head fakes.

Originally posted by ReMeDy
Originally posted by DMeide

Take this for what it's worth - first, it's a 255-0 blowout scrimmage where my team severely out-leveled the other team, second, it's the punter, and third, it's late in the game so their entire team already has no morale and no energy left.

BUT, it looks like I do juke the punter: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1103177&pbp_id=1349617

He falls down and it's not a missed tackle, and he was directly in front of me when he fell down.
Does your guy have Head Fake? It seems like that's the common occurrence is that all the "jukes" we are seeing arent jukes at all, but rather head fakes.


No. 0 in Head Fake. My guy has 7 in Juke, 5 in Change Direction, and chose Spin for his archetype (in part per your arguments that have convinced me, but also because this way I can get both Juke and Spin to 10 so I'll be super-duper set). No Head Fake. No +% Fake Chance.

It's a legitimate Juke.

Now, if the only time a Juke fires is when you've got a returner with 7 in Juke, facing a horribly outleveled punter, in a game where the score is already 255-0 and the other team's morale is already completely shot and their stamina is probably at 0 by this point, then I don't think it's very useful.

omg, u are a lvl 55 against a lvl 5 punter?

Originally posted by The Fromunda Cheeseheads
omg, u are a lvl 55 against a lvl 5 punter?

It was a scrimmage that was put on the schedule agaisnt a gutted CPU team in our league. We play them again during the regular season, embarassingly. I'm not bragging about it, but I figured that if there was ever a chance of Juke firing, it would be in this game, so I looked through the returns.

I wonder if it somehow it wasn't a level 0 Head Fake accentuated by VA's, Return Spec, etc.? Due to the player discrepancy in SP's and level, could all that somehow trigger a Head Fake when a player doesn't have Head Fake to begin with? My return man has 0 head fake too, but due to his +20% bonus to Head Fake, maybe it can still trigger if the discrepancy is huge.

Oh well, regardless, even if it is a Juke I think one thing we can agree on is it's not worth it, lol.

Originally posted by ReMeDy
I wonder if it somehow wasn't a level 0 Head Fake somehow accentuated by VA's, Return Spec, etc.? Due to the player discrepancy in SP's and level, could all that somehow make a perform a Head Fake when he doesn't have Head Fake to begin with?

Oh well, regardless, even if it is a Juke I think one thing we can agree on is it's not worth it, lol.

Honestly, I think you're just letting your anti-Juke bias make yourself try to convince yourself it's not a Juke.

It's a Juke.

That said, the bigger point is one we do agree on - if it took 7 points in Juke, accentuated by all my VAs and Return Specialist, and the only time I've seen it work for my guy is when I'm a Level 55 guy facing a Level 5 CPU Punter with no morale or confidence or stamina left, then yeah, I can safely say, Juke's a Joke.

I'm shopping for AEQ to replace the Juke pieces, but hey, worst case scenario, I can pump Spin up with Archetype and end up with 8 in Juke and 8 in Spin and hopefully they make Juke start working for CBs on KRs.