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Sure at level 49.

Making the early investment in punting is what pays off. I have a punter that hits 165 punting with boosts and none of his other attributes are gimped.

Do you guys really think that a punter with 130 punting and 70 strength is better than a guy with 150 and 50?

Originally posted by Thickensick
Sure at level 49.

Making the early investment in punting is what pays off. I have a punter that hits 165 punting with boosts and none of his other attributes are gimped.

Do you guys really think that a punter with 130 punting and 70 strength is better than a guy with 150 and 50?

What is your punter with 150 and 50 doing that is that much better then a punter with 130 and 70. Is his average that much higher, more coffen corner punts, more fair catches. Explain why putting that many skill points in punting is the way to go. Give us your sp distribution on your punter and his stats so we can see why your plan is better. You can change my mind if you have the stats to prove it.

Yea but now I have 99.43 natural punting after leveling today.

Now I have 5 more points to spend on something else, and I'm thinking Vision or Strength.

Vision

Originally posted by youngtater
What is your punter with 150 and 50 doing that is that much better then a punter with 130 and 70.

He had 70 punts last year and one TB. His average is top notch and so is his net.

Sounds great!!! Do you have a building tree to share so ever idiot in this forum can learn?

I think you missed my point. Its not like there is any one way to build a punter. People have been successful with all kinds of different builds. I just cant understand why people come on here and say that spending 16 SPs on a one punting point is so stupid.

Toppshelf was making a concept punter. He was driving everything into punting at all costs and ended up with a career long crappy punter that is now a great punter. Its tricky to maintain balance throughout the development of your punter, but IMO the best punters are teh ones that made the early investments in punting.

Originally posted by
Do you guys really think that a punter with 130 punting and 70 strength is better than a guy with 150 and 50?

50 STR to 70 STR is roughly 32 SP.

130 PUNT to 150 PUNT is probably 10 times that.

I spent until 11:1 cap on my newer P and was strongly considering spending higher... I already regret not doing so. He currently has 99.12 natural Punting at Level 31. It's all about the end-build.. what are you going to have to spend SP on when your Punter is Level 65 that's really important? I'd much rather spend a ton early in Punting for a little slower overall build development than be forced to spend at the 6:1 cap on Vision or too much in crappy SAs at Level 65.

Originally posted by comeasur337
I spent until 11:1 cap on my newer P and was strongly considering spending higher... I already regret not doing so. He currently has 99.12 natural Punting at Level 31. It's all about the end-build.. what are you going to have to spend SP on when your Punter is Level 65 that's really important? I'd much rather spend a ton early in Punting for a little slower overall build development than be forced to spend at the 6:1 cap on Vision or too much in crappy SAs at Level 65.

I'm just curious what is your confidence at? Did you train strength/punting till you got it to the 11:1 cap. Are you now training vision/confidence?

Thickensick how did you train your punter when you went that route?

Originally posted by youngtater
I'm just curious what is your confidence at? Did you train strength/punting till you got it to the 11:1 cap. Are you now training vision/confidence?

Thickensick how did you train your punter when you went that route?



Jerry Mouse (Lv. 31 P)
Ht/Wt: 6'0", 185lbs

Experience, Skill Points, and Cash
Money: $85144
Daily Salary: $3204
Skill Points: 1
Training Points: 0
Bonus Tokens: 7
Veteran Points: 0
Next Level: 793/1000

Attributes
Physical Attributes
Strength: 70.62 (+1)
Speed: 14.62
Agility: 14.62
Jumping: 16.62 (+2)
Stamina: 8
Vision: 29.62
Confidence: 52.12

Football Skills
Blocking: 8
Catching: 8
Tackling: 8
Throwing: 14.62
Carrying: 9
Kicking: 8
Punting: 109.12 (+10)

Special Abilities
Punting Abilities
Calm Nerves: 0
Hang Time: 0
Big Boot: 3

Veteran Abilities
Motivational Speaker: 7

I don't value Confidence on Punters nearly as much as I do on Kickers, so I haven't spent any SP in it (and likely won't), it's all from training with Vision and ALGs. Obv don't have all my EQ upgrades yet, have 2 pieces of Big Boot AE and waiting on BTs to build those up. I trained Punting/Strength for a long time while building up Punting (I think I stopped when Punting hit the 73-cap and I was able to fill the bar, then rolled it over after hitting the 11:1 cap), then Strength on Normal to shop a little bit, then switched to Vision/Confidence and will probably train that for a long while more. I'm taking Strength to at least 77-cap (though probably higher) before hitting anything else.

I've seen this type of build work before, high Punting/Strength/Big Boot, not as worried about Confidence, though haven't seen someone go to the extremes on Punting/Strength that I'm going. Besides, if I ever wanted/needed more Confidence when it mattered I'd just put 15 in Heart of a Champion and roll with +30 Confidence for the playoffs, though I don't think a Punter needs 80+ Confidence like most of them seem to have.

I'll eventually take Vision to 73 or higher, Agility to 65ish, Speed/Jumping to some decent number... but plenty of time to do that on a build if you don't care about succeeding until L56.

Originally posted by youngtater
I'm just curious what is your confidence at? Did you train strength/punting till you got it to the 11:1 cap. Are you now training vision/confidence?

Thickensick how did you train your punter when you went that route?



Confidence is at 84.22 natural. Punting is at 111.27.

I dont recall my training (I didnt have any kind of plan), but I tried to keep vision and confidence growing and fairly balanced. I wanted him to be able to punt from the get go instead of waiting until lvl 50 to be useful.

I have a level 2 punter that I think I will go this route with his build. Like I said I'm always open to trying a different way to build a player if it has success. Thanks for the advice. I will go strength/punting till I get pnting to 73 and then train strenght till punting gets to the 11:1 cap. Then work vision/confidence.

Originally posted by Thickensick
Sure at level 49.

Making the early investment in punting is what pays off. I have a punter that hits 165 punting with boosts and none of his other attributes are gimped.

Do you guys really think that a punter with 130 punting and 70 strength is better than a guy with 150 and 50?

Point taken. But spending to the 6:1 vs. spending to the 11:1 (pushed by comeasur) nets a difference in end game build of 5-6 punting, not 20. That's why I question whether or not it's worth the extra sp. Now if you value supporting attributes as little as he does, then obviously, spending that high is worth it.

I'd be interested in seeing the difference between your punters Doctor and Diamond; Doctor seemed to have an excellent average from the get go, while diamond seems to be struggling (wrt average anyway, I didn't run a game scout on him to get TB counts). What did you do different in the two builds?

I was pretty excited about Doctor's output from the very beginning so I thought I was on to a great build plan (very high punting). So I built Diamond in the same mold, but was willing to gimp him on strength/vision/agility to get punting as high as possible as soon as possible.

But I caved early on the plan when he didnt produce as well as Doctor. Diamond is lvl 48 with 101.5 punting and 82.5 confidence and I just started getting strength and agility to the first cap. He'll be an effective end game punter, but has suffered with a lopsided build for a while (similar to Toppshelf's experiences).

I think Diamond's production also has suffered due to changes in the sim, but everyone's has. Seasons 4-7 it wasnt unusual to find tons of kickers booting it 70 yards. Now almost no one ever does it. Diamond doesnt come close to repeating Doctor's numbers, but he is usually near the top in net average in his league.

Doctor Scholls is on the OTR Red Dots in USA Pro and the team just went cpu. He's is going to have his best year ever punting from his own 15 yard line 20 times a game.