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How am I being conceited in any way with that post?

I politely asked you guys to just drop it because i know some of you better then by what you're doing to this team. I dont see why its such a big deal. If you lose to them you lose to them, why does it matter?

And the Hawk, i dont understand you. You just started attacking me for my opinion on the situation. Really? Are we that immature now? I keep forgetting if this is an respected internet site, or my 5th grade sex ed class. Lima is a very good team, so i dont understand why you're basically conceding to ALB now.
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BTW, Buck the FUCKEYES!!!!!
 
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Originally posted by mgoblue71
How am I being conceited in any way with that post?

I politely asked you guys to just drop it because i know some of you better then by what you're doing to this team. I dont see why its such a big deal. If you lose to them you lose to them, why does it matter?

And the Hawk, i dont understand you. You just started attacking me for my opinion on the situation. Really? Are we that immature now? I keep forgetting if this is an respected internet site, or my 5th grade sex ed class. Lima is a very good team, so i dont understand why you're basically conceding to ALB now.



5th grade sex ed?????

Man, I missed out. Either that or I'm really, really old

Damn, and my 5th grade teacher was HOT ..... /sigh
 
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Originally posted by mgoblue71
How am I being conceited in any way with that post?

I politely asked you guys to just drop it because i know some of you better then by what you're doing to this team. I dont see why its such a big deal. If you lose to them you lose to them, why does it matter?

And the Hawk, i dont understand you. You just started attacking me for my opinion on the situation. Really? Are we that immature now? I keep forgetting if this is an respected internet site, or my 5th grade sex ed class. Lima is a very good team, so i dont understand why you're basically conceding to ALB now.


I just don't understand why you are defending the Devils now. A little while ago you were all for them leaving/getting booted out of the league and now you want to have them over for dinner.

What changed so quickly to make you hop the fence? Why are you ok with this situation all of a sudden?
 
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Originally posted by mgoblue71

And the Hawk, i dont understand you. You just started attacking me for my opinion on the situation. Really? Are we that immature now? I keep forgetting if this is an respected internet site, or my 5th grade sex ed class.


You don't have to understand me...I don't understand me 1/2 the time. You come out, in a very big-headed way, and try to tell the entire conference what to do (hug the cheaters and watch the language) and then are surprised by the negative response?


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BTW, Buck the FUCKEYES!!!!!

Watch your language...I guess this means you lack intelligence, right? lawl


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Lima is a very good team, so i dont understand why you're basically conceding to ALB now.

Lima is a great team! But when you gut a championship team that has a 1 season head start (on BBB leagues) and move to a lower league, it's hard to get your hopes up about beating them.
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First, I said one comment one the ALB board with negativity. I was angry then, and still am.

Hell, I want the devils out of our just a much as The Hawk. I just dont believe that treating 3 players on their whole team the way some of us have is going to change the situation. Asking them to find a new league--fine. Calling them "bitches, and wishing they die"--not cool.

If theres nothing we can do about it, then fine. We might as well start dealing with it, because obviously Bort doesnt care.
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Originally posted by mgoblue71
First, I said one comment one the ALB board with negativity. I was angry then, and still am.

Hell, I want the devils out of our just a much as The Hawk. I just dont believe that treating 3 players on their whole team is going to change the situation. Asking them to find a new league--fine. Calling them "bitches, and wishing they die"--not cool.

If theres nothing we can do about it, then fine. We might as well start dealing with it, because obviously Bort doesnt care.


If Bort doesn't do anything about it, what is there to deal with? If they stay, I'm not going to kiss and make up. They cheated and I'm going to continue to treat them like cheaters. Why should they feel welcome?
 
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Deal with them being a part of the league. Why not just boycott them instead of talking shit to them every chance you have?

Dont respond to their posts, just completely boycott ALB. We've already got a few people to do it. Dont make them feel welcome, make them feel as if they dont belong here.
 
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Originally posted by mgoblue71
Deal with them being a part of the league. Why not just boycott them instead of talking shit to them every chance you have?

Dont respond to their posts, just completely boycott ALB. We've already got a few people to do it. Dont make them feel welcome, make them feel as if they dont belong here.


Are you freaking serious? Who made this post and threw gasoline on the fire?

You do one thing then say another. You are starting to contradict yourself.
 
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Actually Hawk, if you go read my previous posts, I did say i wanted them punished.
 
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Originally posted by mgoblue71
Actually Hawk, if you go read my previous posts, I did say i wanted them punished.


I was referring to this:

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Dont respond to their posts, just completely boycott ALB. We've already got a few people to do it. Dont make them feel welcome, make them feel as if they dont belong here.


You say we should boycott/ignore them, yet you make a post fanning the flames. That's what I meant when I said you contradict yourself.
 
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Now this mess has us fighting amongst ourselves.. thats just great. I am not going to respond to their posts anymore or be involved in any discussions concerning them. As far as I am concerned they don't exist in this league.

Good luck to every else and have a fun season
Jmsne
 
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I appreciate the post, at least for the anti-flaming rant. I never saw much point to it, but then I stated that in the other thread too.
I haven't said anything I don't stand behind then or now. On the downside, yeah, I believe it was cheating, no question. I don't even have to play them, in all likelihood, and I'm still plenty angry for those who do, and I think my two favorite teams each week will still be New Hampshire and whoever is playing Albequerque. I hope they do get moved to another division that will be more competitive for them. Sure, they may lose a game or two here and there as the season goes, but they still have a competitive advantage due to cheating, and while there's ways to overcome advantages through great coaching - which I think helped us with the Michigan team coming off the win that put them in consideration for being a top team in our division - it still makes it a lot tougher to compete.

I also don't buy the just a game arguement. People spend money on it, people spend obscene amounts of time on it. Sure, its not going to end the world, but that doesn't make cheating that impacts other people's ability to have fun and compete right, sorry.

BUT, there is no justification for commenting on things we have no way to know about. The sick child is one of those. How do we know? Its entirely plausible. If it is true, as someone who worked in a women and children's shelter and saw an awful lot of sick, hurt kids in that time, I wish the kid and his family well without reservation. But in no way does that make cheating ok either. The situations are not the same. I can feel sympathy for their real life situation without it in any way also wishing that they will get fined and moved to another division. Likewise, I can hope the latter without telling anyone to go play with something poisonous. Totally not the same things.

The flaming has gotten way out of hand. I think the first post here might go too far the other direction, sure, but I said before that people needed to chill and try and be practical.

There's some people on the team who, I think, could honestly have just been shortsighted and wanted to stick with their friends without thinking about it. I think there's others who probably realized exactly what that team would have a good chance of doing in BBB and did it anyway. How different people with the Devils organization have acted, responded and reacted is just as valid in forming my opinions now as the fact they cheated in the first place. Byron apologized, backed off the 'just a game' arguement, and agrees that it wasn't a cool thing to do now. Some of the other Devils and former Devils who've PM'ed me - I'm also honestly pretty good with now.
Others, not so much. But getting to know more of the situation and people involved has certainly been more productive, to me, than flaming away.

And if we do play them, I'll do my best to win and compete, like I would with anyone else. I'm not going to pretend its all good, because sure, I'm still upset, but I'm also going to work on my own team and try and get us set to do the best job we can this season before anything else. That's not in question. I'd just prefer, honestly, that they were in AA or something so it was a non-issue. Not my choice though, so I'll wait and see, and just wish everyone else over in the West the best, and wish a lot of luck to those players on the Devils who want to abandon ship now before things get started after seeing what's come of this.
 
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Originally posted by jmsne
Now this mess has us fighting amongst ourselves.. thats just great. I am not going to respond to their posts anymore or be involved in any discussions concerning them. As far as I am concerned they don't exist in this league.

Good luck to every else and have a fun season
Jmsne


And to you. Don't think I've fought anyone in particular, nor intend to.
 
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And to you. Don't think I've fought anyone in particular, nor intend to.



Think he was referring to the flames amongst those favoring Ohio State and Michigan. My take on it was that people are getting tired of the negativity being splashed on the forums. I've been a culprit to that, and so I'd like to apologize to the guys that have been here a while, plus Pittsburg and Detroit (sorry you got introduced to us this way, we're usually a much better group than this). I got upset about this situation and unlike Chase I didn't have the desire to be polite. I can see how my rants have helped keep this going longer than it should have and I can see how people like Mgo were tired of it. I for one am done with it. I've PM'd a lot of people lately about boycotting the Devils, and hopefully there is a lot of support for that. The fact is they are going to be a part of this league this season. Jed has assured me that their penalty will be stiff, and since there is very little else to be done about it we might as well see if Bort and DD come through for us. If nothing else, we can send them to their own special virtual corner (maybe label it 'cheater' or something) and let them sit there by themselves. We can mock every loss and point out when they win that they cheated to do it. Pretty much nothing they do this season will earn any respect, so there's no need to be in each others face about this situation.

Anyways, just my thoughts.
 
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