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Nuldaan
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Originally posted by oklonghorn
That player yall say is horrible was the best in the league last season in sacks tackles an hurries.


Your production and his production last season doesn't matter.

Production THIS season is what matters. And this season, you aren't producing. 5 hurries in 400 plays is less than the starter is doing. Yes, he has more 50% more plays than you but he has 6 times the hurries and 8 sacks vs your 0.

As for your build, it does need work if you're interested in keeping this player for the long term. If you plan on retiring soon, like this season, then yeah, he's fine. Otherwise, you're going to need to start listening because players who built with a better long-term strategy are outpacing you.
 
oklonghorn
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Originally posted by Bukowski
He was made to excel early in his career, but he's going to fail relatively soon.


So why not play the best DE i the league till he stops producing then, right. Or just because you think he will fade out might as well cut your best player now. that just sounds stupid.
 
oklonghorn
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Originally posted by Nuldaan
Your production and his production last season doesn't matter.

Production THIS season is what matters. And this season, you aren't producing. 5 hurries in 400 plays is less than the starter is doing. Yes, he has more 50% more plays than you but he has 6 times the hurries and 8 sacks vs your 0.

As for your build, it does need work if you're interested in keeping this player for the long term. If you plan on retiring soon, like this season, then yeah, he's fine. Otherwise, you're going to need to start listening because players who built with a better long-term strategy are outpacing you.


I get 4 plays on D a game and the rest are special teams. Id like to see anyone produce when they are sitting the bench. I watch the games and you lying makes you look bad. 2 straight seasons my guy was tops and went to bench and special teams for being the best in the league. The starters that replaced me arent putting up even half the stats my guy did last year.
Edited by oklonghorn on Dec 31, 2009 06:33:26
 
Nuldaan
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Originally posted by oklonghorn
Originally posted by Nuldaan

I get 4 plays on D a game and the rest are special teams. Id like to see anyone produce when they are sitting the bench. I watch the games and you lying makes you look bad. 2 straight seasons my guy was tops and went to bench and special teams for being the best in the league. The starters that replaced me arent putting up even half the stats my guy did last year.


You can't be serious. You know we can watch your games and look at your game stats right? All we have to do is look at the stats for your past few games to see this isn't true.

Last two non-blowout games -

vs Nashville Scrappers (48-7 win):
http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=976458
Tiny Huge - 40 plays, 0 tackles, 1 hurry, 0 sacks
Cragin Crusher - 48 plays, 1 tackle, 4 hurries, 1 sack

The only special teams you played was punt return, of which there were 17 plays. Even assuming the defense number counts special teams plays, you still only had 1 hurry and no sacks in 23 plays.


vs Dodge City Vipers (38-13 win)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=976457
Tiny Huge - 31 plays, 1 tackle, 1 hurry, 0 sacks
Cragin Crusher - 39 plays, 0 tackles, 2 hurries

Again, you only played punt return for special teams and the other team only punted 6 times.

You had 394 total plays this season according to your stats. Unless you're going to claim the other team punted the ball 394 times in 10 games, you are getting a hell of a lot more than 4 plays per game on D.

As we said before, no one cares about last season and no one cares about blow out stats. What matters is performance during meaningful games this season and this season, you aren't producing. You can yell and scream and get offended and throw accusations all you want but the numbers don't lie. The starter puts up better numbers than you do this season.
Edited by Nuldaan on Dec 31, 2009 09:50:38
 
Ibucks
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Meh, build isn't great, but it's far from awful. Yes, he did put in too many points in to SA's too soon, but he's only lvl 25, and he could very easily get his player to an average or even above average DE.
 
StinkyP1nky
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Below average build and will be unplayable build in the near future if he doesn't change his focus.

As for the argument about production.....24 sacks last year with all of those SAs is not impressive whatsoever, especially considering 12 of them (quick math, may have missed some) came in 140+pt blowouts
 
house54hoops
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The build could be salvaged except for the fact that he is a season 9 build so he has lost another season to change it. I would start over with him and follow this advice:

Originally posted by rj24221
i have a 2 time mvp and a few lvls higher with almost 100 agil. but that was my plan to be high agil.i think if he concentrates on 1 atrib. and become a speed or str. or agil. build he might bring him around.put all eq. into 1 atrib. to start.or if ya wanna start over no big deal you can really build what you want now with the new player builder.or he could be really good by lvl 50+
who knows,just a thought.(5 sa points in big sack was a waste)


I have also had success with this type of build but make sure you find a good farm team that will let your player grow because he will probably not be too successful until a few seasons in.
 
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The bigger problem is that your player's awards page is wrong based on what you've said.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player_awards.pl?player_id=1519645

I only see two D-league awards.

FWIW, the unfocused player build is horribly crippling in the endgame. If you are simply trying to play and have fun, find a team that isn't too concerned with how your dot will perform down the road.
 
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He ended up getting released at his request. I think you all basically echoed the team management sentiments.
 
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Originally posted by James Buchanan
He ended up getting released at his request. I think you all basically echoed the team management sentiments.


..and as great as he thinks his player is, I'm surprised nobody has picked him up yet.
 
oklonghorn
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Originally posted by Nuldaan
You can't be serious. You know we can watch your games and look at your game stats right? All we have to do is look at the stats for your past few games to see this isn't true.

Last two non-blowout games -

vs Nashville Scrappers (48-7 win):
http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=976458
Tiny Huge - 40 plays, 0 tackles, 1 hurry, 0 sacks
Cragin Crusher - 48 plays, 1 tackle, 4 hurries, 1 sack

The only special teams you played was punt return, of which there were 17 plays. Even assuming the defense number counts special teams plays, you still only had 1 hurry and no sacks in 23 plays.


vs Dodge City Vipers (38-13 win)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=976457
Tiny Huge - 31 plays, 1 tackle, 1 hurry, 0 sacks
Cragin Crusher - 39 plays, 0 tackles, 2 hurries

Again, you only played punt return for special teams and the other team only punted 6 times.

You had 394 total plays this season according to your stats. Unless you're going to claim the other team punted the ball 394 times in 10 games, you are getting a hell of a lot more than 4 plays per game on D.

As we said before, no one cares about last season and no one cares about blow out stats. What matters is performance during meaningful games this season and this season, you aren't producing. You can yell and scream and get offended and throw accusations all you want but the numbers don't lie. The starter puts up better numbers than you do this season.


Watch the game. 36 plays were on special teams out of the 40 plays i got. to easy to prove you wrong.
 
oklonghorn
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Originally posted by StinkyP1nky
Below average build and will be unplayable build in the near future if he doesn't change his focus.

As for the argument about production.....24 sacks last year with all of those SAs is not impressive whatsoever, especially considering 12 of them (quick math, may have missed some) came in 140+pt blowouts


And that is more sacks than all but 1 player in the entire league including f3 times more than the build that replaced my guy. Yea it must be a bad build to be the 2 nd most procuctive DE in the entire league.


So if you build a player that is all league what im hearing is you should retire him quick as he sucks. If the build doesnt produce stats then it must be a good build. Really? How freaking idiotic can you be.

Just 1 person please tell me why Identical builds going only off the guide produce 2 very different palyers. shouldnt they do the exact same? Kinda blows your theory away.
 
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Originally posted by kcdizz
horrible..... retire.


 
JoSCh
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Originally posted by James Buchanan
Should he retire and start over? Did he make mistakes, or do you think this is a good bulid?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1519645


I think the important thing is someone else dictates how this guy builds his player. Its not like it's his money.
 
oklonghorn
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If they werent producing better than all others in the league i could understand.
 
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