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Originally posted by SunshineMan89
This is completely wrong.

If you only take speed to 60, you will be an absolute liability in coverage. In fact, as an OC, if I see an opposing safety that cripplingly slow, my entire gameplan would be exploiting him in coverage. These days, every solid higher level NT in the game has over 68 speed.

So yes, speed is the most important attribute in the game. By a ridiculously wide margin. And with modern slowbuilding techniques, having 120 speed, 70+ agility, 80+ vision, and high strength/tackling/jumping/stamina/confidence.

Also, safeties need to be significantly faster than CBs in GLB, which is why trying to draw analogies between GLB and real-life is pointless. In GLB, good corners often have 95-100 speed, while good safeties generally have in excess of 110.


Not incorrect at all. A player's build can be whatever, as long as it is good, the DC will work with it accordingly. Having "vanilla" build FS's and such for each position does not work against every offense. All offenses are not built the same way nor are the offensive players. All defenses are not run the same way nor are the player's builds near the same either.

Another poster mentioned scouting plays of players. Great, if you have time to do that, do it. Or, you could also look in the "player's looking for teams" forum and look at what similar levels look like in comparison to yours to compare. Also look during the off season at that forum as well for comparison.

Point is, if the goal for a FS is to have 110-120 speed at a certain level, map it out. My FS right now is not at that point but is pretty darn close. When he reaches level 56, he will obviously be to that level of speed. On the other hand, my FS has higher attributes in other places which allow the DC to use him in more ways. Personally, I have never had a problem with my current combo of safeties. Take that for what its worth.
 
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FS
Cover 1 build (primarily deep zones):
78 speed(allEQ), 68 agility, 68 vision
Man-to-man:
73 speed(1/2EQ), 73 agility(1/2EQ), 68 vision
Variable defense:
77 speed(1/3EQ), 68 agility(1/3EQ), 73 vision; (1/3EQ to STR)
Run intensive:
77 speed(1/2EQ), 68 agility, 68 vision; (1/2EQ to STR)

SS
Hard Hitter/ST:
80 speed(allEQ), 60 agility, 68 vision
Variable defense:
77 speed(1/2EQ), 68 agility(1/2EQ), 68 vision
 
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Originally posted by Challenge Everything
Not incorrect at all. A player's build can be whatever, as long as it is good, the DC will work with it accordingly. Having "vanilla" build FS's and such for each position does not work against every offense. All offenses are not built the same way nor are the offensive players. All defenses are not run the same way nor are the player's builds near the same either.

Another poster mentioned scouting plays of players. Great, if you have time to do that, do it. Or, you could also look in the "player's looking for teams" forum and look at what similar levels look like in comparison to yours to compare. Also look during the off season at that forum as well for comparison.

Point is, if the goal for a FS is to have 110-120 speed at a certain level, map it out. My FS right now is not at that point but is pretty darn close. When he reaches level 56, he will obviously be to that level of speed. On the other hand, my FS has higher attributes in other places which allow the DC to use him in more ways. Personally, I have never had a problem with my current combo of safeties. Take that for what its worth.


let's look at the facts here. Your Players... Never been on a pro team. Barely have won anything. The current combo you speak of is on a what 4-8 team and all your wins were agains't gut jobs.... Nevermind I give up. Nobody take your base speed past 68. Jeez what was on thinking on my FS! I should just retire him now!
 
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let's look at the facts here. Your Players... Never been on a pro team. Barely have won anything. The current combo you speak of is on a what 4-8 team and all your wins were agains't gut jobs.... Nevermind I give up. Nobody take your base speed past 68. Jeez what was on thinking on my FS! I should just retire him now!

Yeah, nevermind the fact that the team I am currently on is a farm team to a Pro team and possible future World League team. But hey, lets look at the teams performance and conclude a players build is the suck. Must be great to live in this broad brush world of yours.
 
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Originally posted by Challenge Everything

Yeah, nevermind the fact that the team I am currently on is a farm team to a Pro team and possible future World League team. But hey, lets look at the teams performance and conclude a players build is the suck. Must be great to live in this broad brush world of yours.


well I was going to look for some 50+ yard touchdowns made by the opposing teams your FS faced but then I saw how much you lost and realized that it would be easy to find plenty of those. I think that is the biggest thing a FS should be able to do is prevent those 40,50,60,70,80 yard touchdowns. If the pro team you are going to be on stays in the pros you'll find that out pretty quick.

 
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74/68/68 would be bare minimum for either safety position, IMO.
 
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Originally posted by Challenge Everything

Yeah, nevermind the fact that the team I am currently on is a farm team to a Pro team and possible future World League team. But hey, lets look at the teams performance and conclude a players build is the suck. Must be great to live in this broad brush world of yours.


You're full of yourself.
Against teams where your score was within 40, the only thing your two safeties did was get 3 PDs. Not one of them... both of them combined.

And against the gut jobs you faced (beating by 255+), you should have at least gotten more stats... That's exactly when a safety typically gets the most activity.
 
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Originally posted by idm03
74/68/68 would be bare minimum for either safety position, IMO.


except a hard hitting SS imo, but yes you're right.
68 vision, and at least 73 speed is always 100% necessary.
 
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Originally posted by Djinnt
You're full of yourself.
Against teams where your score was within 40, the only thing your two safeties did was get 3 PDs. Not one of them... both of them combined.

And against the gut jobs you faced (beating by 255+), you should have at least gotten more stats... That's exactly when a safety typically gets the most activity.


All sheep are not sheared the same way.
 
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Please, everyone listen to challenge everything and build ridiculously inefficient players (68strength and tackling isn't high by the way, it's probably just balanced/average). Makes it a lot easier for the rest of us to find WL or top pro team spots for safeties and also easier to gameplan against for your team's OC

105speed, 75agility, 75vision, 60jumping, 68strength, 68tackling sounds like an absolutely miserable safety in GLB considering what is possible with slowbuilding properly
Edited by chronoaug on Dec 31, 2009 21:42:46
 
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Originally posted by chronoaug
Please, everyone listen to challenge everything and build ridiculously inefficient players (68strength and tackling isn't high by the way, it's probably just balanced/average). Makes it a lot easier for the rest of us to find WL or top pro team spots for safeties and also easier to gameplan against for your team's OC

105speed, 75agility, 75vision, 60jumping, 68strength, 68tackling sounds like an absolutely miserable safety in GLB considering what is possible with slowbuilding properly


Why the personal attack? Because I do not agree with the consensus? Awesome. That also does sound like a miserable safety. Who built that one?
 
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Originally posted by Challenge Everything
Why the personal attack? Because I do not agree with the consensus? Awesome. That also does sound like a miserable safety. Who built that one?


you know I think this guy is onto something special? I bet the pro teams and world league teams are at his doorstep.

 
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Seriously though. There is a reason the top 7 teams in WL that are virtually untouchable against every team but those top 7 go after certain builds. Super balanced guys with speed no higher than 110 are not interesting nor desireable.

challengeeverything. I'm sure you've used the player builder program or script so post a lvl 71maxed out build

With speed, agility, vision no higher than 72natural i can't expect much. Some people think that by having speed very high that you can't have high secondary attributes or SAs but that's not true. I love SAs
Edited by chronoaug on Jan 1, 2010 10:14:18
Edited by chronoaug on Jan 1, 2010 10:13:54
 
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Originally posted by Challenge Everything
74spd/68agi/74vis

These levels hamstring your FS to no end and only make him very one dimensional.


This is why the team you're on sucks.

Dont give advice if you dont know what you're talking about. What you mention is a minors uncapped quality player.
Edited by regoob2 on Jan 2, 2010 11:29:24
 
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My SS doesn't even have 100 speed with equipment and hasn't ever been a liability in coverage.
 
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